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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2005, 02:48:12 PM »
I took some time this week-end to go to my local library and make some search about the Malama family, which is indeed mentionned in the few books I found about Eastern Europe nobility. The family of Malama comes from Transylvania ( to day part of Roumania and also known at some stage of History as the Austrian province of Siebenburgen ). The family can be traced back to the early 17th century when the name was Malom which is Hungarian for mill. In the early 1600s, the Princes Rakoczy made Transylvania independent from the Ottoman Empire and created a " home grown nobility ". Thus in 1653, two brothers from the Malom family were ennobled by the Princes Rakoczy and their name was changed to Malama. One century later, Transylvania had become part of the Austrian Empire. In accordance with his policy of Germanisation, Emperor Joseph II re-ennobled in perpetuity the Malamas and made them Barons von Malama of the Holy Roman Empire. In the mean time, some members of the Malama family had left Transylvania and gone to Russia, where they served Peter The Great and all the following Tzars. They had been admitted de facto into the Russian nobility and remained part of the establishment till the Revolution in 1917 when some were killed and others managed to escape to various parts of Europe. Dimitri de Malama who died in 1919 and his cousin Peter de Lamana who is alive ( and living in the UK as mentionned by other members ) belong to this " Russian branch " of the Malama family. I shall not go into further details about the genealogy of the whole Malama family here as it would sound extremly complicated, this family beeing linked from the start to Transylvania, a country which was constantly kicked about from one emprire to the next etc...

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2005, 07:58:31 AM »
Thank you, Mitia, you have done a very good work!

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2005, 03:29:02 PM »
3 little points or questions:

If the Empress wrote "We had not seen him for 1 1/2 years. ", a romance could not blossom during 1915, as Katharina wrote at the beginning of this thread :( But perhaps Lanie, for example, know more about that.

When did Olga start to wrote about the mysterious Mitia? In 1914, 1915, 1916?  Do you remember the date of this diary's entries? If it is during 1915, Mitia is certainly not Malama, she did not see for some time, as tell us the Empress.

According to this Stepanov I already quote, Malama was in Kiev at the beginning of 1918.


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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2005, 10:40:40 AM »
The truth is hard to arrive at, but I am sure that this can be investigated and proven one way or the other. Sometimes details don't matter ;) it is the essential fact that counts. The essential fact here is that this man, was one of, if the only love interest of Grand Duchess Tatiana, so we have a thread on it, and the discussion continues to find out more about this man, and Tatiana. So, it is always interesting.

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2005, 10:10:00 PM »
i heard in this documentary that BOTH olga and tatiana fell in love with dmitri. he was a wounded officer during the war. alexandra wrote a letter to nicholas saying "one would say what a nice son-in-law he would make for our tatiana."

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2005, 10:37:01 AM »
Do you remember what documentry it was? Don't worry if you don't remember because we all hear lots of info from different sources, and we don't sometimes remember where. But if you do remember, post it.

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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2005, 06:28:49 AM »
I think that documentary would be A&E's "Nicholas & Alexandra" biography. I have it on tape, but have not watched it in a while.

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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2005, 11:13:37 AM »
That is interesting, and I have never seen that documentry, but it sounds like it has stuff worth seeing in it. I love A & E stuff!

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2005, 09:44:36 AM »
was this the photo you were talking about with tatiana changing a bandage on a soldiers leg with doctors watching?


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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2005, 11:26:57 AM »
Yes. Any chance he could be Malama?
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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2006, 03:32:52 PM »
At livadia.org you can find three photographs featuring a "Mitya".


http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairmityaparents.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatmitya.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashkamityaana.jpg


In my opinion he does not look like the person in the previously posted pictures, but it might just be the light and angle.

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2006, 11:35:41 PM »
Not the same, it is Dimitri Pavlovich  ;)

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2006, 08:10:02 AM »
Really? He doesn't look like himself in those o.O Or am I stupid?

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2006, 08:45:13 AM »
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was this the photo you were talking about with tatiana changing a bandage on a soldiers leg with doctors watching?



Why aren't we seeing today's Princesses changing the bandages of the wounded ? Perhaps that sort of dedication to one's people ended by WWII.

Anything new on Dmitri Malama ?

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Re: Tatiana Nikolaevna & Dmitri Malama
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2006, 09:11:53 AM »
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At livadia.org you can find three photographs featuring a "Mitya".


http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/bigpairmityaparents.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/tanya/images/nickytatmitya.jpg

http://www.livadia.org/mashka/images/mashkamityaana.jpg


In my opinion he does not look like the person in the previously posted pictures, but it might just be the light and angle.


Well done. Absolutely not the same person by any means.
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