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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2005, 11:34:36 PM »
Great!  Then we'll assume you will not be posting here but will confine your comments to other threads.  Thanks for letting us know.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2005, 10:05:17 AM »
I will post on whatever thread I feel like...we don't have to answer each other.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2005, 10:53:45 AM »
JonC.
NO, I have expressly stated that so long as the parameters are reasonable, and this one is, the parameters MUST be respected by posters. Period.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2005, 10:36:02 PM »
As you wish, FA.

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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2005, 03:19:56 PM »
Thought I'd place this data here from krasnorselo from So Who Was She Then, Post 171:

>>« Reply #171 on: Jan 24th, 2005, 11:17pm »


Hey everyone.
 
I want to thank everyone for participating in this subject.  It is very refreshing to have an avenue to discuss this matter.  
 
Regarding Olga Alexandrovna Kulinovskii's visit to AA I thought Id include some of Harriet von Rathlef Keilmann's notes on the matter- since Olga, who after reading part of Harriet's manuscript told Ambassador Herluf Zahle: (that it was 'correct in its depection' [of the meetings in Berlin]; but she hadn't read the rest [of the manuscript] because she had no great command of German) Kurth: Anastasia The RIddle of Anna Anderson page 407 footnote 24.
 
The account was from Harriet's book Anastasia: Survivor of Yekaterinburg 1929
 
"On the afternoon of the same day there was a knock at the door.  A lady (Olga) in a violet cloak entered, followed by the Danish Ambassador.  She went straight to the invalid's bed...The lady (Olga) spoke to her (AA) in Russian, but she (AA) replied in her halting German....After some time she (AA) inquired: 'How is Grandmamma? How is her heart?' ...Only, after nearly two hours, when the latter (Olga) had left the room for a few moments, did Mr Zahle (The Danish Ambassador) ask the invalid: 'Who is this lady?'  Thereupon she answered happily: 'Papa's sister, my Aunt Olga' "
 
"The Grand Duchess came again in the afternoon.   On this occassion she was not alone.  The lady who accompanied her had once visited the invalid in the Mary Hospital with Mr. Gillard.  It was the Shura the sufferer (AA) was longing to see.  Shura herself was excited.  She approached the bed and asked smiling in Russian: 'How are you?'  In great agitation, the invalid glanced at her face and examined her figure; she answers in German, and gave her her hand.  She did not kiss her hand as she had done with the Grand Duchess (Olga).  Smiling, she regarded the person standing before her.  Ther Grand Duchess bent over her, and asked her in a friendly and lively manner: 'Now, who is that?' 'Shura,' she replied.  We all heard it.  [Shura was Anastasia's nickname for her nursemaid Alexandra Tegleva-the rest of the family called her Sascha].  Thereupon, the Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna clapped her hands and, beaming with happiness, exclaimed: 'Right, right; but now we must speak Russian, because Shura does not understand German.' "  Anna continued in German while Shura spoke with her only in Russian.  
 
Continued in Peter Kuth's book: "Soon Grand Duchess Olga called Harriet von Rathlef out onto the balconey.  She pointed into the sickroom and said, 'Our little one and Shura seem very happy to have found one another again.' [Little one was a term of endearment used in the family both for Anastasia and Alexei] 'If I had any money, I would do everything for the little one, but I haven't any and must earn my own pocket money by painting.'   ...'I am so happy that I came, and I did it even though Mamma did not want me to.  She was so angry with me when I came.  And then my sister [Grand Duchess Xenia] wired me from England saying that under no circumstances shoud I come to see the little one.'    
 
Anna decidely understood Russian- and in many instances spoke it. As recounted by Princess Xenia Leeds.  As found in Peter Kurths book that "once, while Xenia stood unnoticed in her doorway, she heard Anastasia (Anna) speak to her birds for several minutes entirly in Russian- 'and perfectly acceptable Russian from the point of view of St. Petersburg society." (page 217).  Of course this has nothing to due with AA's claim to be AN but indeed stories like this must be considered when trying to determine the accuracy of the claim that AA was FS, when FS knew no Russian and spoke only "a little Polish and good German." according to FS's brother Felix. FS and her family were more German than Polish.  See Peter Kurth's website regarding their Kashubian origins.    
 
http://www.peterkurth.com/ANNA-ANASTASIA%20NOTES%20ON%20FRANZISKA%20SCHA NZKOWSKA.htm
 
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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2005, 05:36:09 PM »
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Do we have enough info on the believers to start looking for similarities among them? Amount of exposure to the IF, relationship with the family, etc. Or do we still have some on Penny's list we have not researched enough? I have been out of town, but will look at Penny's list later and try to figure out where we stand, unless you aleady know or don't want the discussion to go off in that direction.
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Re: Anna Anderson and Her Supporters
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2005, 05:53:08 PM »
I've been gone, too, so, I haven't checked to see if everyone has been listed and that we have sources.  

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