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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2005, 05:17:38 PM »
Found it!

The name of the town the church is in is called Sullenschin This one church covers all of the records for Borowhilas.


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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2005, 08:23:53 AM »
Michael, I took the easy way out and found a review of the Rasputin film on Variety.com.  Here is the set information from that site:

Film, shot over eight weeks in tough weather and finished in December, used the czar's village, Tsarvoe; a restored Peterhof Palace on the Baltic; St. Isaac's Cathedral and the Yusoupov Palace, where Rasputin died. His body's tossed into the frozen Neva River from the real Petrovsky Bridge, site of the deed.

Here is the whole review link:
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117905077?categoryid=32&cs=1

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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2005, 11:52:45 AM »
Hi everyone

I'm moving this info over here so it doesn't get buried, and hopefully will be a benefit to those researching:  



.....I know many of you are eager to start your own research. So, I'm posting some resources to help you. When you contact these places, please have all the information you need (such as dates) to help them in their research. It also may help you if you know someone in the area (Or are going to be traveling to Germany )

If you are after mental health records relating to FS's stay in mental insitutions:  
for the courts responsible for berlin schoeneberg, please contact

amtsgericht schoenberg
grunewaldstrasse 66-67
d-10823 berlin

for neuruppio

amtsgericht neuruppin
karl-marx-strasse 180
d-16816 neuruppin

for magazines and newspapers related to the  "unmaskiing of AA", please contact the following libraries:

staatsbibliothek zu berlin
unter den linden 8
d-10117 berlin (mitte)

staatsbibliothek zu berlin
potsdamer str.33
d-10785 berlin (tiergarter)

And, I believe this is the address of the main library:

staatsbibliothek zu berlin
zeitungsabteilung
westhafenstr.1
d-13353 berlin

for civil registration records related to the Schankowski family (marriage licenses, etc.), please go the following website
 www.gdansk.ap.gov.pl

Here are some dates for important court testimony:

Doris Rittman and Louise Fiedler testified on November 17-18 1965

Gertrude S testified in 1959

Martha Borkowska, childhood friend of FS testified in may of 1958

The date that FS was declared insane was September 19,1916

Some important dates relating to the "unmasking"
occuured in the "Berliner Nachtausgabe" on March 31, 1927 and April 6, 1927

Also the "Berliner Illustrierte Zeitung" dated 10/23/21 may have some early information on the Imperial Family that FS may have seen in the asylum.
 

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2005, 12:07:02 PM »
Thank you Jeremy for this info.

Any news on the age progression photos? We are all waiting very impatiently for them!  :)

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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2005, 11:47:14 PM »
Patience mes enfants, patience!

Bientôt le rideau il  tombent et les hommes el les femmes regardent avec leurs yeux.

Anastasia le jour de son mariage ?... Alexei le jour de son couronnement ?....

Les possibilités ont fini par les baïonnettes et les balles sont sans fin comme temps......

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« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2005, 11:59:34 PM »
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Patience mes enfants, patience!

 Bientôt le rideau il  tombent et les hommes el les femmes regardent avec leurs yeux.

 Anastasia le jour de son mariage ?... Alexei le jour de son couronnement ?....

Les possibilités ont fini par les baïonnettes et les balles sont sans fin comme temps......


Je ne comprende pas apres "Patience mes enfants, patience!"  Anglais, s'il vous plait!!

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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2005, 12:41:14 AM »
Anastasia le jour de son mariage!  Je ne puis pas attendre pour la voir.  Beaucoup sont en désaccord, mais je pense qu'elle est la plus jolie parmi des soeurs.  Je m'inquiète cependant.  Ce qui si elle ressemble à Anna Anderson...

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2005, 06:43:39 PM »
What do we do with these microfilm numbers?
Can we take them to our community library and ask for them? .. sorry I am a complete goof  :-X

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« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2005, 06:57:11 PM »
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What do we do with these microfilm numbers?
Can we take them to our community library and ask for them? .. sorry I am a complete goof  :-X


No you aren't Laura--I was wondering that too!!

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« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2005, 12:29:48 PM »
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What do we do with these microfilm numbers?
Can we take them to our community library and ask for them? .. sorry I am a complete goof  :-X


Sorry, my bad! You can order them through your local mormon family history center.

I also modified my earlier posts to include important court dates if anyone is researching the AA trials.
If I'm not filming this Summer I'm going to be visiting some family friends in the UK. If I have time, I'll stop over in Germany and do some research if anyone needs me to. Just let me know what you're looking for.  
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« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2005, 12:33:35 PM »
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Je ne comprende pas apres "Patience mes enfants, patience!"  Anglais, s'il vous plait!!

Denise ;)



Oh, alright...for the "French impaired" ;)

It was a bad attempt at being poetic. For fun, I thought it might be interesting to see what Anastasia and Alexei may have looked like on important days in their lives, if they had lived to adulthood. (AN in a wedding dress, Alexei in coronation regalia)
It's taking a quite a bit of "Artistic Licence" as they say, but if the pictures end up looking to cheesy, I won't post them.  

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« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2005, 12:40:05 PM »
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Anastasia le jour de son mariage!  Je ne puis pas attendre pour la voir.  Beaucoup sont en désaccord, mais je pense qu'elle est la plus jolie parmi des soeurs.

I agree, I think AN is the prettiest of the sisters too.    

  Je m'inquiète cependant.  Ce qui si elle ressemble à Anna Anderson...


I worry about the possibility of a resemblence too. (Though I don't think they look alike at all, but that's just my opinion)
But, what can we do? The eyes of men and women see
what they want to see. For example, many see the faces of long dead relatives in newborn babies but, to me, all newborns look like hairless monkeys! It's not till they are older that they may bare a significant resemblence to someone (Or start to get cute)


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« Reply #57 on: March 01, 2005, 01:22:47 PM »
THanks Jeremy!!  That's what I thought was said.  My French was a VERY long time ago!!  ::)

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2005, 01:48:55 PM »
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I think a stumbling block here is the idea -- and this isn't your idea Helen, it just seems to be the general perception -- that the Schanzkowskys were "dirt poor."  They weren't.  They farmed a piece of land quite successfully when the parents were married and together -- and later on the former Mrs S seems to have been quite "middle class."  I wouldn't say that they were wealthy, but certainly they could afford a few "extras" for their children -- I remember that M-J had dancing lessons of some sort -- so I imagine that there were properly fitting shoes.


Just of the family, sorry!  There were a number of photos of all the Schanzkowskys that Ian saw, but he only got hold of the ones that the Nazis took.  Perhaps because these were not "family" photos, Felix let him have them.




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I have only seen the usual stuff.  I tend not to set too much store in the Wingender girls' description of FS.  I think they are a little too "penny-dreadful" to be taken seriously.

Ian Lilburn told me that during the trial, there was evidence entered concerning Franziska's dress and shoe sizes -- I forget from whom this came, though I have an idea it originated from the Wingenders who surrendered the clothing that FS left behind at their residence when she disappeared.  In both cases, the sizes were quite a bit bigger than the sizes Fraulein U wore --  a little enough matter in the case of dress sizes where weight can be gained or lost relatively easily, but shoe sizes are another thing.  One clue that I cannot shake is that Fraulein U wore shoes three sizes smaller than FS's shoes.  Feet can spread out in width with age and various ailments -- like the bunions -- but can they shrink three sizes in the space of a couple of weeks?

Ian also told me that there were several photographs of Franziska that he saw in the course of the trial.  The one that we all know is the one that Pierre Gilliard selected to illustrate his book, and it was the one -- in Ian's opinion -- that was the least clear in presenting its subject.  I don't know what happened to these other photographs of FS.  They might have simply belonged to Felix, with whom Ian spoke on several occasions.  If they were entered into evidence, they have never surfaced.

Ian was kind enough to let us take copies of some Schanzkowsky photos that he got at the trial -- they are the ones that the Nazis took of the family.  I will try and scan them for posting if anyone would like to see them -- but it will take me a couple of days.  I am very behind on tons of stuff!  ::)  


Thought I'd put this on this thread, too, since Penny is telling us a little more about the Schanzkowsky Family.
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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2005, 10:08:52 PM »
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Sorry, my bad! You can order them through your local mormon family history center.

I also modified my earlier posts to include important court dates if anyone is researching the AA trials.
If I'm not filming this Summer I'm going to be visiting some family friends in the UK. If I have time, I'll stop over in Germany and do some research if anyone needs me to. Just let me know what you're looking for.  



Ahh ^_^ Thanks Jeremy  ;D