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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2005, 10:59:43 AM »
Before her marriage, she was HRH Princess Alix Victoria Helena Louise Beatrice of Hesse-Darmstadt and the Rhine. After she converted (before marriage) she was HIH Grand Duchess Aleksandra Feodorovna of Russia. After, HIM Empress (or Tsarina) Aleksandra Feodorovna Romanova.
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2005, 11:08:26 AM »
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(or Tsarina)


Tsaritsa.

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2005, 01:16:08 PM »
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Tsaritsa.


How is that pronounced, like tsar-itsa?
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2005, 01:38:19 PM »
Yes.
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2005, 09:57:19 PM »
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Please see the Alexandra conversion thread for confirmation of the fact that Alix of Hesse did NOT have to formally renounce her Lutheranism when becoming Orthodox.  It was not a matter of a shortened conversion ceremony, it was her own conscience that demanded that she not renounce her previous belief.  This is confirmed in "A Lifelong Passion," again mentioned in another thread.  This was a concession made to both Alix and Ella, even though Ella converted voluntarily.



Dennis is exactly right. It was important to Alexandra not to renouce her Luthernanism. This was agreed to before she agreed to marry Nicholas, I believe.
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2005, 06:53:17 PM »
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Actually, Feodorovna was chosen not for the saint, but for Feodor Romanov, considered the founder of the Romanov dynasty. Taking his name as a patryonomic was a sign of respect and becoming a "daughter" of the House of Romanov by marrying into it. Ella was known as Elizaveta Feodorovna from the day of her marriage.
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This is absolutely correct.  Absolutely.  I have posted the historical details in another Topic on this subject in a different part of the Forum.  Indeed, it dates back to Feodor I, the last of the Rurikids.

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2005, 07:01:23 PM »
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Dennis is exactly right. It was important to Alexandra not to renouce her Luthernanism. This was agreed to before she agreed to marry Nicholas, I believe.



Dennis made an allusion to a "shortened conversion ceremony" for the Empress Alexandra.  In the Russian Orthodox Church, under prevailing 19th century canonical practices, Lutherans were NOT subject to a "shortened conversion ceremony".  The Russian Orthodox Church considered the Lutheran Church to be a church in which there was, and still is, apostolic succession (from Christ to the Apostles to the Bishops of Rome to the Bishops of the Lutheran Church who had been consecrated by Roman Catholic bishops).  The order of reception of Lutherans into the Church at that time was relatively simple :  they were confessed on a Saturday night during the Vigil Service, not during the Vespers part of the service, which was still technically Saturday, but during the Matins part of the service, which was considered Sunday.  The Empress would have had to fast from that time on until she received communion on Sunday morning, at approximately 10:30 a.m.  The only marked difference, however, is that when the Empress received Communion the choir would not have sung the usual hymn for Communion (Receive the Body of Christ) but a special hymn for those newly-received, converted, etc. (As Many As Who Have Been Baptized Into Christ Have Put on Christ).
 

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2005, 06:21:25 PM »
Is it true that Princess Alice named Aleksandra this because Alice said the Germans always murdered her name, and she gave her daughter an easy one that couldn't be mispronounced?

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2005, 07:53:23 PM »
I heard this too from a pretty reliable source. I could be wrong, though, and mixing my sources up. But I think you're right.

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2005, 12:54:46 AM »
From a letter written by Princess Alice to Queen Victoria, quoted in Greg King's Last Empress:
'Alix' we gave for 'Alice' as they murder my name here: 'Aliice' they pronounce it, so we thought 'Alix' could not be so easliy spoilt.

(King found the quote in Buxhoeveden's book, The Life and Tragedy of Alexandra Feodorovna.)

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2005, 02:55:17 AM »
Yup, that's true.

Alice wanted to name Alexandra after herself, but because German people can't pronounce Alice, she named Alexandra the most similar name phonetically to Alice, Alix.

Though, of course, as per tradition, Alix's real first name was Victoria.  Alix was her second name.
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2005, 08:27:21 AM »
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Though, of course, as per tradition, Alix's real first name was Victoria.  Alix was her second name.

Really? I thought her full name was Alix Victoria Helena Louise Beatrice...

I'll look it up   ;)
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2005, 08:51:09 AM »
"Victoria Alix Helena Louise Beatrice"

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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2005, 09:08:46 AM »
Well, I'll be danged!  ;D

Those royals -- why use a first name when you've got half a dozen others to choose from??
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Re: Questions about Alexandra's Name?
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2005, 10:44:43 AM »
I read that too and it sounds true, because Germans who can't speak English really pronounce it Aliiice