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« on: February 01, 2009, 02:02:56 PM »
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Sorry for refreshing this old thread, but I have to add.

1916 letter:

I write and leave behind me this letter at St. Petersburg. I feel that I shall leave life before January 1st.

I wish to make known to the Russian people, to Papa, to the Russian Mother and to the children, to the land of Russia, what they must understand. If I am killed by common assassins, and especially by my brothers the Russian peasants, you, Tsar of Russia, have nothing to fear, remain on your throne and govern, and you, Russian Tsar, will have nothing to fear for your children, they will reign for hundreds of years in Russia. But if I am murdered by boyars, nobles, and if they shed my blood, their hands will remain soiled with my blood, for twenty-five years they will not wash their hands from my blood. They will leave Russia.

Brothers will kill brothers, and they will kill each other and hate each other, and for twenty-five years there will be no nobles in the country. Tsar of the land of Russia, if you hear the sound of the bell which will tell you that Grigory has been killed, you must know this: if it was your relations who have wrought my death then no one of your family, that is to say, none of your children or relations will remain alive for more than two years. They will be killed by the Russian people...I shall be killed. I am no longer among the living.
Pray, pray, be strong, think of your blessed family.

7 Dec 1916


Did Rasputin indeed wrote famous 1916 letter to Tsar in which he stated that if he is dead, then Imperial Russia will come to end, and nobody of his family will not live longer than 2 years.

But sure he wrote telegram to Tsar and Tsarina during Spala crisis in 1912, full of hope for Little Tsarevich:

Little one will not die

Of course he didn't. Because - he would never invoke to Tsar or Tsarina in that way, as '...you, Russian Tsar...'. Only rumors were made about that letter, an most probably someone else wrote it. Anyway, his handwriting was not perfect, and he began to learn writing lately, since he consider that his minds should be published.

His diary, 'Moe Misli' ('My minds'):


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Reply #91
« on: February 21, 2009, 11:11:03 AM »
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Has it ever occurred to any of you that history is generally written by the ruling aristocracy, and not the common man?  Indeed there is much in Simanovitch's memoirs (which I have translated in full, into English) which is substantiated by Russia's own historian, Edvard Radzinsky. The most important of these historical facts concerns the huge numbers of unjustly imprisoned Jews who were freed due to Simanovitch's contact with Rasputin, not to mention the many pogroms that were averted, due to Rasputin's intervention by pleading with the tzar.  One must not forget that Russia was incredibly anti-Semitic, and still is, to a large extent.  It is true that Jews were confined to living in certain areas and that there were quotas as to how many could attend various schools and universities.  Simanovitch and Rasputin helped overcome such obstacles for many Jews.  But, of course, Russian history would have Rasputin be evil, having been on the side of the underdog.  Whether or not the predictions are true is a moot point, and insignificant compared to the social issues they were dealing with.
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I have a copy of the original French version of Simanovich's "Memoirs". I translated much of it, hoping perhaps to post an online version. However, it frankly is virtually all made up, self serving, and scurillous in an attempt to sensationalilze and create scandal.  There is almost no genuine fact or insight to be gained from it.  In just the first ten pages, he portrays Nicholas as a hard-drinking, wife beating philanderer and Alexandra as an hysterical drunken sexual predator! Sadly for history, he seems to have nothing genuine to add to Rasputin facts. I have absolutely no doubt that he fabricated that "prediction".

I have been very interested in how Rasputin has been painted in Russian history and from the view point of his personal secretary, which obviously must be in some conflict. I would greatly enjoy reading what you have translated if that is possible. Have you managed to put it on line to be viewed?  
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« on: February 21, 2009, 11:21:00 AM »
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The answer is that the Simanovich book is total fiction, therefore of no historical value for the contents therein, as it is just made up stuff to sell books. I have no intention of putting a word of it out there for anyone to accidentally believe to be accurate.
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« on: February 22, 2009, 01:09:21 PM »
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In my opinion the letter is forgery, it is almost impossible that it is true, therefore I not believe Rasputin ever wrote such a letter. Ofcourse it makes up a sensational and mythic storie, and it tells well in a dramatic form, knowing what happened after his death, but that does not mean it is true. I do not believe it, and probably never will.
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« on: February 22, 2009, 02:05:34 PM »
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You are completely right, Rasputin never wrote that famous 1916 letter before death.
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Reply #95
« on: August 07, 2012, 08:27:30 AM »
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Just bumping this up as it has become a center of discussion in  another thread.

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« on: January 12, 2014, 11:36:09 AM »
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Well, drat!

I misremembered -- this isn't Rapsutin's last letter  Embarrassed
According to Alexandrov (who is frankly not to be trusted at all with the captions in his book) this is the letter Rasputin wrote to the Imperial couple at the beginning of WWI.


I'll nose through my other books and see if I've got a photo of his last letter elsewhere...

For the record, the original of this pre-W W I letter is now found in the Beinecke Library of Yale University.
http://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3817075

The donor stated that he bought it directly from G. E. Rasputin's daughter herself soon after the Revolution.
According to his account, the Imperial Family had returned the letter to Rasputin's family while they were in Tobolsk.

A photograph of it appears in Sokolov's book too.

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