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Identification Russian Nobles
« on: June 15, 2009, 09:35:29 AM »
These are photos representing Russian nobles, do you know someone?
Could the big building in the photo be a country-house? Thank you for your help




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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 10:32:14 AM »
These are photos representing Russian nobles, do you know someone?

Other photos of Russian Nobles --------
-----I would like to know who is the lady in the middle holding an umbrella and loking back, could she be the empress or duchess Elizabeth?
Do you know someone else?--------------------


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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 02:47:03 AM »
I don't think that's the Empress or the Grand Duchess. Just a some noble lady.

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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 09:08:12 AM »
Can anyone tell me about a man whose portrait was labeled as Russian minister and general  D.Doberowolsky...I searched the web,but must be that the spelling is wrong




I am also particularly interested in order that he is wearing,specially this one...



Can anyone also tell me which order is this?

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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 10:26:13 AM »
At first glance, with the green (laurel ?) leaved-ringed border, it appears to be the the Star of the earlier Poland/later Imperial Russian Order of Saint Stanislaus. I can stand to be corrected, however, as I usually think of more of the center portion being WHITE with the Saint's initials in red. (The example that I own is undoubtedly a later reproduction.) The illustration in the painting may only be largely suggestive of the Order.  He is indeed much decorated.    AP
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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 10:13:31 PM »
Thank you for this...there are too many similar star breast orders :-(

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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 12:01:20 AM »
Response to Reply # 3:  You are most welcome!  It's not the number of breast star orders that bedevil me (fot the Imperial Russian ones are indeed relatively few), but it's the carelessness with which even the TRUE artists of the time ATTEMPT to depict them in general shape, placement and color. They usually wind up, as jumbled, overlapping masses/blobs of color. This occasionally extends to the ribbands of orders, too. The adornment simply became secondary to their features, even though the accurate clothing/uniforms were available.   As a related "side-bar,TODAY, the many would-be "colorists" here who drool over eye-color and debate endlessly the minute shades of hair color, FREQUENTLY take NO time to research decorations on state/formal illustrations, thus bedecking especially the Granduchesses with stars of wrong color and ribbands of imaginary hues. The colors of their everyday dresses are almost totally imaginary, as most of the original colors are unknown, (but conversely, uniforms and decorations HAVE specified, recorded colors, which CAN be, but are seldom, researched), leaving the young colorists to enrapturously praise each other for their "STUNNING" works, when in truth most have utterly no idea of accuracy.  And these appaling combinations, potentially in hues that didn't even exist then, are passed on to "newbies." who may believe them to be "just like what THEY wore!"     AP
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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 05:55:43 AM »
My little 5 cents;).

AP is right - this is star to St. Stanislaus (1st degree), but with wrong colours. On the neck there is also the Order itself (rightmost).

Other Orders are:
- Order of St. Vladimir of the 2nd degree. Star to the Order is just above the star to Stanislaus. Order itself is in the centre of the neck, just near St. Stanislaus.
- Pour le Mérite (Prussian highest Order). Order is on the neck just above the St. Vladimir.

Small ribbon between the Orders consist only from the different anniversary and service medals.
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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 06:12:38 PM »
I have found these photos together with some photos featuring the imperial family. According to your knowledges can anybody tell me who is the lady featured ? I think she is Anna Vyrubova but I'm not sure. Thanks
Photo 1 anna young?

Photo 2 ??????

Photo 3 Anna ?

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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 06:13:55 PM »
young Vyrubova with sister ?

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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2010, 04:28:43 AM »
Yes, at all the photos you posted we can see Anna Vyrubova.

On the last one - Anna Vyrubova with her younger sister Alexandra.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 12:33:28 PM »
Thanks,  I had doubts for photo 2, is signed Anna (in Russian). Photo 3 is a detail, the entire photo is Anna with the sister and a man (perhaps the brother). I have asked the opinion before post the photos in "Anna Vyrubova". For the last photo they are enough sure, is of Pasetti photographer , operating till 1904 because when the Tsarevich Alexei has  born,  the photographer was already Boisonnas successor of Pasetti . If it is corrected Anna it can have max 20 years. ?

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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 06:49:06 AM »
I have found these photos together with some photos featuring the imperial family. According to your knowledges can anybody tell me who is the lady featured ? I think she is Anna Vyrubova but I'm not sure. Thanks
Photo 1 anna young?

Photo 2 ??????

Photo 3 Anna ?


Photo Anna young?

Photo Anna ?
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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2011, 07:40:33 PM »
These are photos representing Russian nobles, do you know someone?



This fellow appears to be a sergeant (wearing a "superveste" worn while on palace duty) in one of Russia's most exclusive and elite regiments, the Chevaliers Gardes.
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Re: Identification Russian Nobles
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 11:41:26 AM »
Hi all I am completely new to the forum ... I love my Czar
how many noble families existed in Russia before the revolt of 1917 ???
 how many are left today??
how many of the families living in exile today in contact with the imperial family?? 

 farewell iceman