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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2011, 04:49:42 PM »
Wow, that is very interesting, "cattrips"! The Meredyth Dynasty. I think that Tudor sounds better. Was "Tewdr" the original spelling of it?

I like each of Henry VIII's wives for different reasons; Catherine of Aragon for the same reason as 'stacey' said, I admire her for that; Anne Boleyn I'm not so sure about...I mean, she's the most famous, but she was a bit of a social climber it seems, and I feel sorry for poor COA having put up with Henry for all that time, and then being kicked out, so to speak, by Anne...Jane Seymour I don't know enough about to form much of an opinion on...Anne of Cleves, I like very much, she seems to have been a very kind, warm-hearted person. Katherine (or Catherine? Or Kathryn?) Howard I sympathize with, she was so naive and didn't deserve to die at only 20! Catherine Parr I admire as well, for her patience with Henry, a steady sort of person, I think, and a good last wife for him, more of a nurse. And I like the fact that she was good friends with his children.
And of course, Elizabeth Tudor, the last Tudor queen, a great personality and interesting person...
Oh, and poor little Lady Jane Grey...I don't know very much about her, but she went through so much, with her parents not being very kind to her, and then becoming queen so young! She was only sixteen when she died, right?
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2011, 03:25:49 AM »
There are multiple spellings of the name just like Bullen/Boleyn etc.
One way I have seen is Meredith/Maredudd ap Tydur...... I think "ap" is the Welsh equivalent of "son of", but I could be wrong.
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 08:23:37 AM »
My favorite is Queen Elizabeth I. She is one of the greatest monarch of England, her reign was known of the golden age.  Against all odds and at a young age, she become queen of England, who would have thought that the daughter of Anne Boleyn would rule England one day (After her mother death, she was considered to be illegitimate and deprived of the title princess). She was truly loved by her people ; She presented herself as a queen of the poor swell as the rich, she was good and wise ruler. She was a woman in men world yet she succeed thanks to her courage and intelligence to become one of the greatest rulers in history. 
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2011, 04:57:48 PM »
I think King Henry Tudor was Henry VI.  His grandfather (maternal?) was a Tewdr.  He took that name from his grandfather, instead of whatever it was (Owain?)

The only reason he is my favourite is, I descend of some very close kin of his named Marrud ap Daffyd, but no Tudor relation to my knowledge.  Ap does mean son of, as I understand it.

Also, I think he was Edward the Longshanks' grandpa--another one of my favourites.

Elizabeth I, she was the one who gathered the troops at Tillbsury and made that speech when the Spanish Armada was coming?  "And, behold I am come amongst you...."  If so, I do have to respect a woman who dons armour--even if she never had to fight.  That takes an aweful lot of good character.
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2011, 07:02:53 PM »
I think King Henry Tudor was Henry VI.  His grandfather (maternal?) was a Tewdr.  He took that name from his grandfather, instead of whatever it was (Owain?)
No, it was Henry VII. His paternal grandfather was Sir Owen Meredith Tudor / Owain ap Maredudd ap Tudur, who was the paternal grandson of Tudur Fychan (= the Younger) ap Goronwy, Lord of Penmynydd, who was the paternal grandson of Tudur Hen (the Elder) ap Goronwy, Lord of Penmynydd, who was the maternal grandson of Rhys ap Gruffydd, the Lord Rhys, Prince of Deheubarth, himself a grandson of a Rhys ap Tewdwr or Tudur! Owen Tudor's male-line ancestor was Ednyfed Fychan ap Cynwrig, Seneschal of Gwynedd.

Tudor is the Welsh form of Theodore (and Russian Фёдор / Fyodor).

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Ap does mean son of, as I understand it.
Mab/map is the Welsh form of Gaelic mac, which means "son" or "boy". In patronyms it appears shortened as "ap", rather similar to how the last vowel might be replaced with a syllabic n in the pronunciation of the English equivalent Toddson as /todsn̩/.

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Also, I think he was Edward the Longshanks' grandpa--another one of my favourites.
15th-century Henry VII or Owen Tudor as 13th-century Edward I's grandfather? Dude, no wonder you mess up your Kühns when you can't get something that basic right!
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2011, 10:14:17 PM »
Hi,

Wow!!!  It sort of reminds me of the old American hillbilly song, "I'm My Own Grandpa!!".....

Edward I's grandfather was 200 years younger than him.....  Again - Wow!!!

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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2011, 10:33:46 PM »
Indeed. Rereading the post, I see that capttrips perhaps meant that his claimed ancestor Marrud ap Daffyd was Edward's grandfather, which also is wrong, as his grandparents were King John Lackland and Raymond Berenguer IV, Count of Provence. Of course Henry VII was the grandfather of Edward VI.

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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2011, 09:48:24 AM »
Hi,

Yes, I think you're right - the "he" in his post is ambiguous - and I guess I misinterpreted it, as it could mean anybody!!!
It did give one a mind-bowing buzz though wondering about junior grade grandfathers....

And yes, Edward VI would have had Tudor grandparents several generations back.  Perhaps that's who the 'Edward' is???

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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2011, 03:57:40 AM »
My favourite is Mary Tudor: French Queen, Duchess of Suffolk. She didn't live a long life, but it was certainly a full one.
Mary seemed to know how to handle her brother. Have to respect that!
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2011, 02:56:24 AM »
Paul, you are right, she was a fascinating woman. I think both of Henry VIII's sisters were but they do tend to get "forgotten" or lost when the Tudors are discussed.
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 11:38:11 AM »
Paul, you are right, she was a fascinating woman. I think both of Henry VIII's sisters were but they do tend to get "forgotten" or lost when the Tudors are discussed.
I think you are totally right. Henry's sisters have been lost in History, or terribly misunderstood, like Mary (Margaret)'s portrayal in 'The Tudors'.
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Re: Your favorite Tudors
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2011, 02:00:21 AM »
I came to Tudor history through Anne Boleyn, I read a book about her when I was 10 and I was fascinated. When I was 15, I identified with Lady Jane Grey (poor, poor girl, but now I do not think she was a very nice person, to rigid in her belief an ideas. But that could also be explained by her age.)

Now my favorite Tudors are:
- Catherine of Aragon
- Mary Queen of Scots (just read the great biography 'My heart is my own' by John Guy, which gives a very good description of her)
- Mary I (poor woman, I cannot help but feel sorry for her.)

I agree that Henry's sisters are nog very well known, on my 'still to buy' list is a book about them, because I want to know more about them.

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