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Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« on: August 17, 2009, 06:00:19 AM »
Could someone explain to me fully how Nicholas II is related to Queen Victoria? I know that Nicholas is the 1st cousin of George V (through his maternal side of the family), who was Victoria's grandson. I also know that Alexandra is the granddaughter of Queen Victoria through her mother Alice. I got all this information from Robert Massie's book in the family trees indexed at the back.
From this information I am guessing that Nicholas' mother was Queen Victoria's daughter, but I am not too sure. Could someone explain?

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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2009, 06:48:01 AM »
You have stated the ways they were related by marriage. By blood, they were distant cousins. Nicholas didn't descend from Victoria, and his mother was a daughter of Christian IX of Denmark, not Victoria. The closest blood relationship that I can think of (off the top of my head) between Nicholas and Victoria is that Nicholas is thrice the Great-Great-Great-Great Grandson of George II of Great Britain, and Victoria is the Great-Great Granddaughter of George II of Great Britain. This would make Nicholas and Victoria third cousins twice-removed.

George II of Great Britain - Frederick, Prince of Wales - George III of the United Kingdom - Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn - Victoria of the United Kingdom

George II of Great Britain - Louise of Great Britain - Princess Louise of Denmark and Norway - Princess Louise Caroline of Hesse-Kassel - Christian IX of Denmark - Marie Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) - Nicholas II of Russia

George II of Great Britain - Princess Mary of Great Britain - Landgrave Charles of Hesse-Kassel - Princess Louise Caroline of Hesse-Kassel - Christian IX of Denmark - Marie Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) - Nicholas II of Russia

George II of Great Britain - Princess Mary of Great Britain - Landgrave Frederick of Hesse-Kassel - Langrave William of Hesse-Kassel - Louise of Hesse-Kassel - Marie Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) - Nicholas II of Russia

Phew! I know it's so difficult to work out all the many interwoven familial relationships between royalty but it just takes time. Hope I helped :)

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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 12:34:09 PM »
I didn't knew that they were related, but they weren't very close related, then Alix and Nicholas weren't
close related neither.
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 01:54:06 PM »
I didn't knew that they were related, but they weren't very close related, then Alix and Nicholas weren't
close related neither.

Alix and Nicky were more closely related through their fathers.  Ludwig IV was Alexander III's first cousin.

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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 12:41:33 PM »
I didn't knew that they were related, but they weren't very close related, then Alix and Nicholas weren't
close related neither.

Alix and Nicky were more closely related through their fathers.  Ludwig IV was Alexander III's first cousin.

Thank you very much for the correction :-)
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 05:47:37 PM »
Could someone explain to me fully how Nicholas II is related to Queen Victoria? I know that Nicholas is the 1st cousin of George V (through his maternal side of the family), who was Victoria's grandson. I also know that Alexandra is the granddaughter of Queen Victoria through her mother Alice. I got all this information from Robert Massie's book in the family trees indexed at the back.
From this information I am guessing that Nicholas' mother was Queen Victoria's daughter, but I am not too sure. Could someone explain?
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 06:15:12 PM »
Alix and Nicky were more closely related through their fathers.  Ludwig IV was Alexander III's first cousin.

So keeping it in the family.  So Nicky and Alix are second cousins right?
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 06:23:51 PM »
Alix and Nicky were more closely related through their fathers.  Ludwig IV was Alexander III's first cousin.

So keeping it in the family.  So Nicky and Alix are second cousins right?

Yes, they were second cousins, and more distantly they were also both descendants of George II as illustrated.

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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 06:38:09 PM »
WOW, that is new to me.  Thanks for that bit of trivia. :D
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 09:41:55 AM »
Nicholas and George V were first cousins because their mothers were sisters - they were both daughters of Christian IX of Denmark. The third daughter, Thyra, married Ernst August, Duke of Cumberland, making their son, Ernst August, Duke of Brunswick, who married the Kaiser's daughter Victoria Louise of Prussia, first cousin to both George and Nicholas.

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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 11:14:09 AM »
Alix and Nicky were more closely related through their fathers.  Ludwig IV was Alexander III's first cousin.

So keeping it in the family.  So Nicky and Alix are second cousins right?

2nd half cousins.  There is some question has to the paternity of Empress Maria Alexandrova  her mother Wilhelmine of Baden bore seven children, of whom four survived. Her last four children, including Alexander and Marie, were believed to have been fathered by August von Senarclens de Grancy, her longtime lover.  When in 1838, the Tsarevich Alexander Nikolayevich toured Europe to find a wife, he fell in love with the 14-year-old Marie. He married her on 16 April 1841, even though he was well aware of the "irregularity" of her birth. His mother Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna objected, but Alexander insisted.




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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 01:16:09 PM »
Could someone explain to me fully how Nicholas II is related to Queen Victoria? I know that Nicholas is the 1st cousin of George V (through his maternal side of the family), who was Victoria's grandson. I also know that Alexandra is the granddaughter of Queen Victoria through her mother Alice. I got all this information from Robert Massie's book in the family trees indexed at the back.
From this information I am guessing that Nicholas' mother was Queen Victoria's daughter, but I am not too sure. Could someone explain?

Nicholas's mother was not Queen Victoria's daughter.  His mother - Princess Mari Dagmar of Denmark was sister to Queen Victoria's daughter in law Princess Alexandra of Denmark.

Alexandra was first cousin to both George V and Wilhelm II.  All had parents who were children of Queen Victoria.  Prince Albert Edward (Prince of Wales) was the father of George.  Princess Victoria (Empress Frederick of Germany) was mother to Wilhelm II.  Princess Alice (Grand Duchess of Hesse) was mother to Alexandra.

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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 12:28:14 AM »
He was also a second cousin, three times removed from Queen Victoria through their common ancestor, Duke Charles Lewis Frederick of Mecklenburg, Prince of Mirow.

Duke Charles Lewis Frederick of Mecklenburg, Prince of Mirow (1708-1752) ---> Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1744-1818) ----> Prince Edward, Duke of Kent (17671820) ---> Victoria of the United Kindom (18191901)

Duke Charles Lewis Frederick of Mecklenburg, Prince of Mirow (1708-1752) ---> Charles II, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1741-1816) ---> Louise of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1776-1810) ---> Charlotte of Prussia (1798-1860) ---> Alexander II of Russia (1818-1881) ---> Alexander III of Russia (1845-1894) ----> Nicholas II of Russia (1868-1918)
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2010, 12:45:14 AM »
With all this inbreeding, I wonder if any genetic mutations happened.  Think of the mountain men in the Wrong Turn movies, or Deliverance.
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Re: Family Tree - How is Nicholas related to Queen Victoria?
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2010, 02:47:45 PM »
That is an interesting point.  They used to call them "throw backs" in the South of the USA where inbreeding was quite common in centuries past.

When first cousins marry (which is not legal in the US) there is a great chance of birth defects.  Yet, in royalty especially in the 19th century there were a lot of first cousin marriages.

Even Queen Victoria supported many a marriage between first cousins.  Had she managed to get Alix to marry Prince Albert Victor (Eddy) they were first cousins.  Ducky and Ernie were first cousins. 

At one time Prince George (future George V) was interested in Ducky's sister Missy and they were first cousins.

Actually Missy (Queen Marie of Roumania) and Alix were first cousins and they talked of their two children marrying.  Prince Carol and Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna.