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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2006, 02:08:52 PM »
The plan of the ground floor of the Palace in Mikhailovka




1 - Front Way
2 - Hall
3 - Vestibule
4 - Front Staircase
5 - Reception Room of Grand Duke
6 - Dancing Hall (Ball room)
7 - Gallery (passage)
8 - Drawing Room
9 - Reception Room of Grand Duchess
10 - Room for Needle work (of Grand Duchess)
11 - Boudoir
12 - Bedroom
13 - Dressing Room of Grand Duchess
14 - Working Study of Grand Duke
15 - Billiard Room
16 - Dining Room
17 - Butlery
18 - Room for servants (for those who served at the table)
19 - Gallery of Pompei
20 - Floral Gallery

So, I was not correct in my previous post saying that on the ground floor were only the Main Rooms.
As we see there were the appartments of Grand Duke Mikhail and Grand Duchess Olga there, and the rooms of their suite and their sons were on the 1st floor.
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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2006, 09:36:59 PM »
MIKHAILOVKA


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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2006, 05:57:22 AM »
Reco,
I had downloaded that same picture, but did not post it because I had some recollection that this came from an article about the Islands in St. Petersburg and that this building was Grand Duke Michael's dacha on Kammenny, Elagin, or Krestovsky.  I could not find the original document.
Can you remember when the photo came from?
There seems to be a slight difference in the names also: The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.  I don't know Russian well enough to know if these are different names.
While they are similar architecturally, I think they may be different houses.  Can anyone confirm my speculations?
Bob G
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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2006, 11:18:39 AM »
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Reco,
I had downloaded that same picture, but did not post it because I had some recollection that this came from an article about the Islands in St. Petersburg and that this building was Grand Duke Michael's dacha on Kammenny, Elagin, or Krestovsky.  I could not find the original document.
Can you remember when the photo came from?
There seems to be a slight difference in the names also: The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.  I don't know Russian well enough to know if these are different names.
While they are similar architecturally, I think they may be different houses.  Can anyone confirm my speculations?
Bob G

Bob,
The Russian text on the picture says about architect Bosse, who built the palace in Mikhailovka in 1857-1862. In fact there is a difference in Russian between MIKHAILOVKA and MIKHAILOVSKOYE, but in this case MIKHAILOVKA=MIKHAILOVSKOYE as it's only the difference in spelling, well, MIKHAILOVKA as a familiar form of MIKHAILOVSKOYE ESTATE, a shorter name  :). For example Grand Duke Petr Nikolayevich often called his estate not  Znamenka but ZNAMENSKOYE.

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2006, 01:34:53 PM »
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Reco,
I had downloaded that same picture, but did not post it because I had some recollection that this came from an article about the Islands in St. Petersburg and that this building was Grand Duke Michael's dacha on Kammenny, Elagin, or Krestovsky.  I could not find the original document.
Can you remember when the photo came from?
There seems to be a slight difference in the names also: The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.  I don't know Russian well enough to know if these are different names.
While they are similar architecturally, I think they may be different houses.  Can anyone confirm my speculations?
Bob G


It is the same building don't you see the plan (numbers 16, 8, 9) and the tower at the right corner of the old pic?

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2006, 02:04:07 PM »
BobG,

I do not remember where I found this document pdf. I lost the original. There remains to me right 2 photographs. I am sorry.

 I will dispatch you a photograph of an original page. Perhaps that one will manage to find the document.

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2006, 05:37:37 AM »
Reco,
I kept looking and found I was wrong!  That shoud teach me not to rely on memory! Your picture was in a document about Peterhof.
That, along with Svetabel's explaination on the variety of Russian names (always a source of confusion for me!), has clarified this photo as being Mikhailovka.  
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
Bob G

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2006, 10:03:53 AM »
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The Peterhof estate seems to be called Mikhailovka while your photo is Mikhailovskoye.
"Mikhailovskoye" may be a place name (like that of the Pushkin family's estate), but may also mean "relating to/belonging to Mikhail/Mikhailovka/Mikhailovo". The Russain caption on the photo "V Mikhailovskom imenii... " is definitely the latter case, otherwise it would read "V imenii Mikhailovskom ..."

Therefore the English translation is incorrect.

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2006, 01:07:03 PM »
I own this document with the photo(of the estate) but I don't know how to send it...

Svetabel have ever been in the estate since it has been turned into an hotel?

Znamenskoye has not benn entirely restored ,is taht right?
Vassili

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2006, 11:53:37 PM »
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Svetabel have ever been in the estate since it has been turned into an hotel?

Znamenskoye has not benn entirely restored ,is taht right?
Vassili

I've never been inside the Mikhalovka palace. :( Just looked at it outside.

Znamenka is a week-end hotel too, of course it's not restored entirely.

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2006, 02:42:00 PM »


The East facade of the Mikhailovka palce in the end of the 1890s.

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2006, 02:49:49 PM »
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The finery of the interiors was being preserved till 1919, and in 1941 the Palace was destroyed and reconstructed in the 1960s.
The Palace is two-storied, the Main rooms were on the ground floor, the Private appartments were on the 1st floor.It's interesting that GD Nikolay Mikhailovich (eldest son the GD Mikhail ) had the most of own rooms on the 1st floor while his brothers GD Mikhail Mikhailovich had only 2 rooms (Reception room and Bedroom), GD Georgiy Mikhailovich had 5 rooms, GD Alexey Mikhailovich (who died young) had 5 rooms and the famous Sandro aka GD Alexander Mikhailovich had only 1 room (Bedroom) as he was a rare guest at home.
Did GD Serge Michailovich have no rooms at all?


 :) Of course GD Sergey did not live in the street. I just forgot about him ::) He had 5 rooms.

Stupid me  :) also forgot to tell that GD Sergey Mikhailovitch was the last owner of the Mikhailovka palace. He had rooms on the upper floor of the Palace in its Minor part. I mean that the Palace was divided in 2 parts - Grand Palace and Minor Palace. Look at the plan of the upper floor



You can see the Grand Palace and Minor (at the bottom of the pic). Unfortunatlely the source does not explain the names of the rooms. >:(

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2006, 07:07:24 PM »
so it was GD Serge M. who owned the palace before the Revolution? I always thought that the primary user was GD Georgi M. and his family... In that case, did GD Georgi have a sort of a family nest in the countryside (close to the capital?)

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Re: Znamenka and Mikhailovka, estates of GD Nikolai N. and GD Mikhail N.
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2007, 03:21:00 AM »
Very good statue remained at the entrance of Znamenka house.
I suppose, that it is good to stay at Znamenka at the beginning of the summer.