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Topic: 99 Brides of Louis XV  (Read 2044 times)
« on: September 22, 2009, 06:34:59 PM »
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i want to know as many as possible..

i know 6:

-Infanta Mariana Victoria of Spain (future Queen of Portugal)
-Henriette Louise de Bourbon (known as Mademoiselle de Vermandois and second cousin of Louis)
-Landgravine Caroline of Hesse-Rotenburg (future Princess of Condé)
-Grand Duchess Elizabeth of Russia (future Empress of Russia)
-Princess Anne Charlotte de Lorraine (sister of future Francis I, Holy roman emperor)

i have also read that a princess of Savoy was mentioned but no name was given (that was from Wikipedia)

anyone elseeee?!?!?!

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« on: September 22, 2009, 06:37:34 PM »
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i have another...

-Barbara of Portugal (future Queen of Spain as wife of Ferdinand VI of Spain, first cousin of Louis XV)
 
any more?
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« on: September 22, 2009, 10:32:24 PM »
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Why '99?
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« on: September 23, 2009, 01:56:38 PM »
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Too much brides!!! Are you sure that were 99?
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« on: September 23, 2009, 02:55:19 PM »
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lol it was something silly like that..a list of brides was presented to louis xv by the then prime minister and it contained all of the eligible brides in europe to take the title of Queen of France..

a daughter of George I of Great Britain [probably Princess Amelia] was also on the list [read on wikipedia]
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« on: September 24, 2009, 06:12:50 PM »
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They were very much!!
How did he choose?
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« on: September 25, 2009, 03:42:03 AM »
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How did he choose?

If you mean Louis XV, he was given no choice.  The Duc de Bourbon, or rather his mistress Mme de Prie, made the decision.  Marie Leszczynska, who was finally chosen, was extremely healthy which was an important factor as the French royal family desperately needed heirs, and her poverty and lack of political clout at the French court was probably a great asset to the Duc de Bourbon and his mistress, as they supposed she would be very grateful to them and would use her influence to help them.  She did try to help the Duc de Bourbon, but as she had no influence her attempt to promote his interests only made Louis XV become annoyed with her, and the Duc and Mme de Prie were exiled from Versailles nonetheless.

The Duc de Bourbon married Landgravine Karoline von Hessen-Rheinfels-Rotenburg mentioned below himself, when it was decided she wouldn't be suitable as Louis' bride.
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« on: September 25, 2009, 10:10:45 AM »
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Apparently the list was originally 100 names, whittled down to 17!  44 were deemed too old, 29 were considered too young, and 10 were politically inconvenient, leaving 17.  Clearly the list was pretty well every princess in Europe (and two in Russia).

Others on the list were:

Maria Josefa of Portugal, aged 24
Charlotte Amelie of Denmark, aged 18
Anna Petrovna of Russia, aged 28, half sister of Elizabeth Petrovna of Russia mentioned below
Elizabeth Charlotte of Lorraine, aged 12, elder sister of Anne Charlotte of Lorraine mentioned below
Elisabeth de Bourbon Conde, Mlle de Sens, aged 18, sister of the Duc de Bourbon
Henriette Louise de Bourbon Conde, Mlle de Vermandois, aged 20, sister of the Duc de Bourbon

I think that's about 15 so far, 85 to go!
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« on: September 25, 2009, 03:46:32 PM »
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I'm wondering whether the Infanta Mariana Victoria of Spain (future Queen of Portugal) could have been on the list as she was Louis XV's rejected fiancee, and the fact that she had been sent home to Spain because she was too young to produce children was the whole reason the list was produced in the first place.  Though she might have been there just because every princess in Europe was there, I suppose.

Two Prussian princesses were also on the list, who must have been Princesses Wilhelmina and Fredericka.  Two British princesses were on the list, not only Princess Amelia but the oldest grandaughter of George II, Anne.  However, both sets of princesses would have had to convert to Catholicism which was out of the question at that time.

I can't find any Savoy princess who could have made the list, but Karoline of Hessen-Rheinfels-Rotenburg was the sister-in-law of the Duke of Savoy and consequently made the list from that connection.  However, she was dropped from the list, as Mathieu Marais wrote in his journal, because her mother gave birth alternately to daughters and hares.  The Princess of Portugal's father was a little mad ("un peu fou") so she too was discarded; the princesses of Lorraine were too close to the House of Orleans (with whom the Bourbon-Condes had a tremendous feud) so they too had to go.  Marais mentions "princesses autrichiennes" who were either too old or too young; presumably these would have been the daughters of Emperor Charles VI, Maria Theresa and Maria Anna; Emperor Joseph I's daughters, Maria Josepha and Maria Amalia were already married at the time but there were two unmarried Archduchesses, sisters of the Emperors who could have been considered but were "too old" , i.e. Maria Elizabeth and Maria Magdalena.  So that gives the following list:

-Infanta Mariana Victoria of Spain (future Queen of Portugal)
--Henriette Louise de Bourbon (known as Mademoiselle de Vermandois and second cousin of Louis)
-Elisabeth de Bourbon Conde, Mlle de Sens (her sister, also second cousin of Louis)
-Landgravine Caroline of Hesse-Rotenburg (future Princess of Condé)
-Grand Duchess Elizabeth of Russia (future Empress of Russia)
-Grand Duchess Anna Petrovna of Russia (future Empress of Russia)
-Princess Anne Charlotte de Lorraine (sister of future Francis I, Holy roman emperor)
-Princess Elizabeth Charlotte of Lorraine (sister of future Francis I, Holy roman emperor)
-Princess Barbara of Portugal (future Queen of Spain as wife of Ferdinand VI of Spain, first cousin of Louis XV)
-Princess Maria Josefa of Portugal (aunt of Princess Barbara)
-Princess Charlotte Amelie of Denmark
-Princess Anne of Great Britain (future wife of Wilhelm IV of Orange-Nassau)
-Princess Amelia of Great Britain
-Princess Wilhelmina of Prussia (future Margravine of Brandenburg-Bayreuth)
-Princess Fredericka Louise of Prussia (future Margravine of Brandenburg-Ansbach)
-Archduchess Maria Theresa (future Holy Roman Empress)
-Archduchess Maria Anna (future Princess Karl of Lorraine)
-Archduchess Maria Elizabeth (Governor of the Austrian Netherlands)
-Archduchess Maria Magdalena
-Princess Maria Leszczynska

The only Bavarian princess who might have qualified was a nun, and the Saxon princesses were too young, which were some obvious choices (and Catholic), but there were a fair number of German princesses who might have made the list though they would have had to agree to convert.  The Hessian states might have produced some candidates; there were a couple of Hesse Darmstadt princesses who might have been considered suitable, and though the princesses of Hesse-Kassel were too young, there were some princesses of Hesse-Homburg and Hesse-Philippsthal who might have made the list; some princesses of Reuss; no Wurttemburg princesses seemed to have been around of the right ages, but there were one or two Mecklenburg princesses knocking around; the Duc d'Orleans had nipped in and married the only available princess of Baden, but there was at least one princess of Modena who could have been a contender. 

But still, I really don't know how they came up with 99-100 princesses!
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« on: September 25, 2009, 04:20:20 PM »
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This is so interesting...how they made the list,how and who made choices etc.
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« on: September 26, 2009, 02:22:42 PM »
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I can see that the majority of the european princesses of the time were included on that long
list. But really... how many of them woulg like to change their religion, or were serious candidates?
I think that it was a general list
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« on: September 27, 2009, 01:27:24 PM »
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i imagine that some would, especially if they were some provincial princess who was offered the rank of queen..
some of them maybe didnt get there in time..but then we would not have had our ''bonne reine marie'' as Louis XV's consort would we Cheesy
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« on: September 28, 2009, 01:20:57 AM »
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I think that it was a general list

I think that it was indeed a general list, and every conceivable princess was on it, including the already-rejected Infanta Mariana of Spain, just for completeness.   But if they were including the Austrian Archduchesses, there weren't any who were really contenders, so that must have been the case with a lot of others.  And the likelihood of some Protestant princesses changing their religion was remote - though some of the less prominent houses, such as Baden, were up for it, but the Prussians and the Hanoverians would have political problems and they probably weren't on the cards.  But Maria Leszczynska was nevertheless a real long shot - and showed how desperate the Duc de Bourbon and his mistress Mme de Prie were getting in the need to find a way to influence a king who was already starting to show that he had little respect or liking for them.  Mme de Prie's family had some connections with the exiled Leszczynskas and a Queen who had no real standing of her own at the French court, or foreign royal agenda, was just the ticket, as she would do what she was told by the group which had secured her marriage.  There were actually several princesses such as Caroline of Hesse-Rotenburg, who really fit the bill had no special objections to them, who were considered of more equal birth than Maria Leszczynska, but who would have had less reason to be grateful to the French prime minister and his mistress if they had been selected.
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« on: September 28, 2009, 03:38:22 AM »
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It is said that Caroline von Hessen-Rhinfels-Rotenburg was out of the marriage prospect due to her tough character...
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« on: September 28, 2009, 05:35:07 AM »
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Caroline of Hesse-Rotenburg was also later the second wife of the duke of Bourbon..mother of his only legitimate child...her sister was thw Queen of Sardinia from 1730-1735 =]
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