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Others than Fabergé?
« on: September 25, 2009, 08:20:45 AM »
I have read in some book here that Fabergé was not among the most used and appreciated craftymen. They had some difficulties to reach the top, but finally they were more accepted.

What names did the more appreciated have I do not know. Does somebody know and what happened to them? Killed all?

In an other source when I was looking for Huguenots (maybe it was Wikipedia that listed some more known Huguenots) there was a list of known Huguenots and Fabergé is mentioned among those people. There was some Huguenot settlements in Europe and they fled France.
It was a pity for France that so many Huguenots left the country as refugees, but that was noticed first afterwards later. 

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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 09:51:02 AM »
Amely,

Your English is a little difficult to understand, but I think you are asking what firms were the more "appreciated" before Faberge.  The first most notable firm was the English establishment of Nichols & Plinke in St. Petersburg, of similar note were the three separate firms of Morosov, Ovchinnikov and Chlebnikov.  All had use of the Imperial Warrant prior to Faberge getting theirs from Alexander III.

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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 06:16:50 AM »
Hi can someone help me identify the maker of an antique russian silver rosicrusian cross? I have not been able to find access to assay marks from russia over here, maybe someone here can direct me to a book or something like that.

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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 09:42:11 AM »
"Goldwork and Silverwork of the XVI - XX Centuries" by Postnikova-Lyosyeva is the definitive encyclopaedia of makers marks.  Sadly only available in Russian and very hard to find.  If you start a new thread and can post close up photos of the marks I can look it up for you in my copy.

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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 06:28:23 PM »
Ok thanks, the assay marks are so small I have tried to photograph it before, will try again.
Last time I found that doing a photocopy then enlarging it kept the focus better, but still difficult to see.
OK I will take it to a local jeweler here and get him to look at it with one of things they use to view them, and come back to you then with some info.

Here is picture of the front of it:





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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 06:01:53 PM »
Ok here is the info:
the letters "SFPPI", within a symbol, it looks like a diamond laying on its side with side edges cut off replaced by vertical lines.
Outisde the symbol are the numbers: 800 (which means silver).

I have tried to photograph it but it won't keep focus!

Let me know!
Many Thanks,
Tut~Si.
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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 06:47:26 PM »
Hello,  "tutsi" !   The factor of Cyrillic versus Latin alphabet letters aside, I don't ever remember seeing a Russian silver piece of the Imperial era marked "800."  Typically, their silver marks begin with "84" (which is still below the modern "sterling" level of .925) . As I don't have my reference books readily available, I would hazzard a GUESS as "German" (possibly), or in a broader sense, "(European) Continental." Hopefully, someone else can be more definitive.   Regards,  AP
« Last Edit: November 03, 2009, 06:54:45 PM by aleksandr pavlovich »

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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 04:00:29 PM »
Ok Many Thanks!

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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 04:02:23 PM »
Maybe the Rosicrusians would know then? Seeing its one of theirs....?


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Re: Others than Fabergé?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2010, 01:58:13 PM »
    • Dear Tutsi,

      If your cross marked 800 silver, definately it's not russian, it is german. For more infromation, you can look at the italian website,
      silver world markings and silversmiths: http://www.silvercollection.it/
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    Re: Others than Fabergé?
    « Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 05:01:17 PM »
    Amely,

    Your English is a little difficult to understand, but I think you are asking what firms were the more "appreciated" before Faberge.  The first most notable firm was the English establishment of Nichols & Plinke in St. Petersburg, of similar note were the three separate firms of Morosov, Ovchinnikov and Chlebnikov.  All had use of the Imperial Warrant prior to Faberge getting theirs from Alexander III.

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    Might the Morozov hallmark have changed around 1904-1905?  Our family has two engraved silver-gilt kovshii made in 1905, 84 St. Petersburg, with cursive lettering for MOROZOV (can't make out the imperial warrant), instead of the printed form of MOROZOV (with warrant above it) seen on works from 1904 and earlier.  Or, were there more than just one Morozov-fabrik? 

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    Re: Others than Fabergé?
    « Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 09:42:48 PM »

    A. Kiwi, There was only one Morozov company. I will try to add a picture to my post. I hope this is going to help you !
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    Re: Others than Fabergé?
    « Reply #13 on: August 06, 2010, 10:35:08 PM »
    Dear "Imperial Russia"

    Thank you for the picture of the Morozov Hallmark after 1884.  I've seen examples of what you've posted, hence my question about other forms of hallmarking for that company.  The MOROZOV engraved on my family's pieces is in a cursive script, not the printed type of lettering shown in your post.  The articles were commissioned for a military centennial jubilee in 1905.  Might the Morozov company have ever used a cursive style of the family name as a hallmark for any special (or maybe, not so special) occasions?  The engraving is very clear.  I've been attempting to post a picture here, but not having luck.  Any quick advice? 

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    Re: Others than Fabergé?
    « Reply #14 on: August 12, 2010, 11:50:49 PM »
    Dear "Imperial Russia"

    Thank you for the picture of the Morozov Hallmark after 1884.  I've seen examples of what you've posted, hence my question about other forms of hallmarking for that company.  The MOROZOV engraved on my family's pieces is in a cursive script, not the printed type of lettering shown in your post.  The articles were commissioned for a military centennial jubilee in 1905.  Might the Morozov company have ever used a cursive style of the family name as a hallmark for any special (or maybe, not so special) occasions?  The engraving is very clear.  I've been attempting to post a picture here, but not having luck.  Any quick advice? 

    Kiwi

    Dear Kiwi,

    I was going through my catalogs and I did find 1 other Morozov but he was a jeweler (1871). Morozov Sergey Artemnovich, mostly made crosses and some other jeweleries in gold, silver, and decorated with diamonds. I am not sure if this is the Morozov you are looking for. By the way, he was an Armenian, not Russian.
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