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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2006, 11:59:06 AM »
Out of curiosity, what on earth would an appliance repair company in New Jersey want with a Russian dacha for 80 years!
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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2006, 12:13:28 PM »
Robert, as one living on the Jersey shore, I have often asked myself that very same question.  Perhaps the Soprano people know the answer and it is somekind of Brighten Beach invasion in reverse.  I shouldn't joke about something so serious and hopefully Danny hasn't had a day of rest in the last eight years since the publicaion of the Princess' book.   

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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2006, 12:27:11 PM »
I found a beautiful old house in Tsarskoe Selo [do not know it would be called a dacha?] and asked my friend to look into it. I could have afforded to buy it, BUT putting it in habitable order and renovation made the prospect unrealistic. It need top-to-bottom renovation.  Cheaper to buy a newly built home.
 Oh well, it was a nice idea.
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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2006, 01:57:30 PM »
Oh Robert, please don't tell me that!!!!!  Great Lord in Heaven Above that is my dream of dreams!!!!  Ten years ago when my mother passed she left me a small inheritance and I was on my way to St. Petersburg to live, when Betty Barker, a friend of the Aaronsonís, (I am sure you know them.  He is a former Ambassador who had backed some big Hermitage promotion at the time), well anyway Betty said that St. Petersburg was like Chicago in the 1930 with hoodlums living in all the big hotels and that the streets were not safe and I got scared off.  My dream was to purchase an apartment in a Palace in St. Petersburg as I told you, like my friend Stefanís fathers apartment in a Palace in Munich. 

Did your friend have any historic details about the villa; who it had belonged too, etc.? 
Tsarskoe Selo!!!!! You would a neighbor of Princess Paley, not to mention the IF and Ania!!!!  Are labor and materials rather more expensive in Russia?  I am grateful that you have a practical mind and did not end up house-poor.  That is such an awful state to be in.  I have been there with a home that I owned which had been built the year young Victoria came to the throne in 1837.  Honestly every time I sneezed something fell off that house. 

You know as a kid I used to wonder all around my neighborhood and sneak into the gardens of all the villas sprinkled about.  The Villa Sarah was my favorite.  It was perfectly symmetrical Italianate palazzo and you could open the front door in three ways, little, bigger, and biggest.  It only had 16 rooms so it wasn't that overwhelming and it was such a jewel.  Oh golly I can still see it today.  An exiled Italian Count had owned it originally and by the time I was sneaking around it's gardens, friends of my parents owned it.  Actually even the modest little villa my parents owned is now featured on HGTV's "Houses Across America."  I guess it was because our Sister City was Florence, but I don't know.   

Oh Robert, Darn!!!  Darn!!! Darn!!!  I think I will go beat up Danny in order to work off some of my disappointment for you.  I wonder where my parasol is.  You see it is my only weapon. 


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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2006, 02:10:38 PM »
Yes, labour and materials were costly, also the relatively short building season which meant prices would just keep going up.  Specialised craftsmen would be need, and EVERYTHING would have to be replaced- plumbing, electricity, roof, new basement/foundation.  floors.  Such a shame as you could tell it was a nice place at one time. I first saw it on my first trip in 2005, in January  and it was freezing- no heat of course, no windows. It was still for sale on my last vist this past May. Still very cheap. I have a feeling someone will buy it to tear down and put up a new house altogether.
 And frankly- I have had it with "fixing up" older houses.  I swear this place in San Francisco is the LAST.
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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2006, 05:32:32 PM »
I suppose the other challenge is that buying property in foriegn countries is fairly tricky.  Several of my family reside in Europe.  Things went very badly for some mutual friends who live in the South of Spain after the terrorist attacks in Spain my friends suddenly found their taxes going through the roof.  They were barely able to keep their homes.  Things are back to normal now, but I have also heard of cases where angry governments have actually confiscaed homes, though none of my family or friends have experience that directly.  Could Russia expell all the Americans living there and confiscate their homes if things went south politically?     

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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2006, 06:06:51 PM »
I do not know for sure, but from  preliminary  investigations on the prospect,  it may be that foreigners  can not actually "buy" prpperty in Russia.  One actually leases it for extended periods. This is common proceedure elsewhere as well.
 Naturally, there are all sorts of ways of getting around this, if one really wants to. But I am certainly not in that league! I just want my little cottage in England- that suits me  just fine.
 
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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2006, 09:07:58 PM »
Oh that is very helpful information.  Thank you.  England is where some of my family live and I know just what you mean.  I must have gotten my fact muddled about our friends homes in Spain.  But something happened that to the amounts they paid that was not happening to their neighbors.  Thanks again.

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Re: Palaces close to ruin in St Petersbourg
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2006, 09:40:29 AM »
This is an illustration of old 19th century decors in the Stigltz's manor of St Petersburg which has been bought by Abramovitch this year....

This would have been restored...does some knows more about it?

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