Actually Anne Boleyn?

Now I know i'm gonna get some awkward commontary for this one, but could this be actually Anne Boleyn?
Mary Tudor had Red/Gold hair, not dark brown/black? See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/MaryTudor111.jpg. Well I.M.O it fits that it would be Anne. Not only the Black Hair, but the fashion of the gown and its extravagnce.

Hi,

Just a suggestion here:
The clue to her identity may be in what she's holding....  It looks like an artichoke to me!!!
What does that mean?  Who's sybol was that?
I don't know what Mary Tudor looked like;  but that does look an awful lot like Anne Boleyn to me, except she doesn't have that famous "B" pendant hanging from her necklace.

Puzzling!!

Larry

there is however, a facial similarity to this sketch of Mary;
http://tudorhistory.org/people/mary2/marysketch.jpg

As for the gown's richness and extravagance, well, she was Queen of France and princess of England.
As for the hair colour, Anne Boleyn was supposed to have very dark/black hair, yet in the most famous portrait of her, we see that she has auburn hair with a reddish sheen/streak to it.
I think this portrait of Mary and Brandon is absolutely beautiful and apparently there are two versions of this "Cloth of Frieze" portrait,in both, Brandon is wearing his Garter chain.

She is definately holding a globe artichoke topped by a cadduceus, this could symbolise fertility ?
There is also a portrait of Francois I and his second wife Eleanor of Austria and the artichoke appears there also.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3625/3640196068_e331970457_t.jpg
 

Well, as this Lady is obviously with Brandon it must be Mary. Mary was known to be a greater beauty than Anne Boleyn who attracted by her wit and Black eyes.  Court Painters took license many times. I became interested in the meaning of the Artichoke so I did a little research and I found this:

1500s - In the 16th century, Catherine de Medici (1519-1589), married to King Henry II (1519-1559), of France at the age of 14, is credited with making artichokes famous.  She was quoted as saying, "If one of us had eaten artichokes, we would have been pointed out on the street. Today young women are more forward than pages at the court."

The chronicler, Pierre de L'Estoile, in his Journal of June 19, 1576 talks about the occasion of the wedding of Marquis de Lomenie and Mlle de Martigues, "The Queen Mother ate so much she thought she would die, and was very ill with diarrhoea. They said it was from eating too many artichoke bottoms and the combs and kidney of cockerels, of which she was very fond."

From the "Book of Nature," by Dr. Bartolomeo Boldo in 1576, "it has the virtue of . . . provoking Venus for both men and women; for women making them more desirable, and helping the men who are in these matters rather tardy."

*Only one questionable note here I think the Mary Tudor/Brandon painting predates the marriage of Catherine de Medici so I think artichokes must have been well known for fertility purposes prior to this. Anyone know anything else?

While i suppose there might be a resmplance in that....but i do not see a resemblance in this portrait http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/MaryTudor111.jpg or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/MaryTudor112.jpg

I think that the hair in the portrait does have reddish tinge to it.  I also don't see much of a resemblance to Anne Boleyn- she is just wearing a similar style of clothing that was fashionable at the time.  Anne had a pointier nose and darker eyes.  Like many people, Mary's hair may well have darkened with age.

At any rate, there is no doubt that this is Mary- as she is definitely holding hands with Brandon.  Why would they paint Anne in such  a position?

Well is it certain thats actually the Duke of Sullfok?

Well is it certain thats actually the Duke of Sullfok?

It was painted around 1516, as it attributed to Jan Gossaert.  Anne was very young at that time-around 10-15, depending on which date of birth you accept.  It is probably  a wedding portrait.  (Mary and Brandon married in 1515)  Here is a picture of Suffolk in old age- it looks like the same person.

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Brandon,Charles(1DSuffolk)02.jpg

Just a question- it's obviously not Henry.  Why would Anne have herself painted in  an affectionate pose with anyone else?

Younger Brandon than the Wedding Portrait..darker beard 

http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/suffolk.htm

Thats from a copy of the wedding portrait, so that dosen't really count, sorry .

interesting! It doesn't have the gold on the Hat the other Wedding Painting has. However go into google and put in Charles Brandon 1st Duke of Suffolk and you can pull up the individual paintings.

There are actually 2 of these portraits.
http://englishhistory.net/tudor/citizens/brandonpage1.jpg

and this one (as posted by Francois X)
http://saesferd.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/mary_tudor_and_charles_brandon.jpg

There are subtle differences.

One painting may well be a later copy of the other.

  Interesting that in your second link, Mary's hair is certainly a dark auburn, and not black.

Well, how do they "date" portraits from the time?