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Re: Why Are the Romanovs Still So Popular 90 Years After Their Deaths?
« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2010, 10:23:12 PM »
ask yourself one question
if all the family had Imperial family?  There isnt the same level of interest about other places like the Ottoman empire or China where the Imperial families lost everything

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Re: Why Are the Romanovs Still So Popular 90 Years After Their Deaths?
« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2010, 04:34:21 AM »
that should have been if all the children had survived, would the İmperial family attract as much attention as they did.

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« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2010, 05:24:16 AM »
True, the daughters would have been just a footnote in histories,  of interest only to royal genealogist and even that would have depended on who they married. N&A  most likely  viewed the same as  all the other ex\exiled  royals of the aftermath of wars, Alexei  of interest only because of  his illness.  Easily compared to other princes like the Spanish.
  Alas,  it was not to be. Their claim to fame being  shot in a basement in a  violent revolution,  one tiny group of thousands that lost their lives.Even NII's role as last Emperor of Russia was rather lacklustre. I doubt if Alexandra would have received much attention at all.Outside of specialised interest, of course. Dull, but pragamtic scenario, IMO.
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Re: Why Are the Romanovs Still So Popular 90 Years After Their Deaths?
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2010, 07:55:14 AM »
I absolutely agree with "Phil,"  "Robert,"  "Constantinople," et al.  referencing the so-called "popularity" of the last Imperial Family. Their so-called "popularity" has for sometime now been on the slippery slope of decline, and rightly so. I will state from the beginning that I have NO fondness for any of this last family.  They were woefully flawed people (like we all are!), who were not at all particularly gifted, but thrust into the "limelight," through accident of birth/status. The popularity seems to have been only carried along over the far and recent years by three things: 1.) The murder of the entire family (I think popular world opinion would have accepted the deaths of the Emperor and possibly the Heir, but would have preferred exile for the Empress and the daughters.). In exile, the not-too gifted daughters would have entered ultimately the marital "meat-market" with non-descript princes, who would be hoping to cash in on what funds may have been left and the name "Romanov." They would have then faded into foot-notes in a history book or space-takers on a geneological tree.  2.) The second impetus for the initial so-called continuation of "popularity", was the missing bodies, for which seemingly no rational accounting/proof immediately came forth, 3.) Thirdly, and MOST important in this farce of popularity is the so named "ANNA ANDERSON" person, who based on preceeding numbers 1 and 2, awoke morbid (pun intended) interest in Europe and to some extent, America.  Just imagine!  One of the daughters had been found!  "Tatiana"---wait, no it's "Anastasia!"  And so "Anastasia" it became.  This dragged on through legal courts, costing immense amounts of money, ill feelings, polarizing legimitate family relatives, and ended in a verdict of "Not Proven."  With all this bally-hoo, Anna Anderson literally MADE "Anastasia."  If there had been NO "Anna Anderson," there would have been NO "Anastasia" remembered today by probably less than 5% of the general populace. This insignificant child/adolescent would have been consigned to the less memorable curosities of history and basicly/rightly forgotten. As someone once said, "Such (concerns) are like pimples on the face of God."  Finally, there was this inane CHILDREN'S Fox CARTOON (not documentary, for God's sake!) on the "Anastasia" figure which everyone now in retrospect (call it "Maturity") admits was "adapted"/twisted in the true facts so it that it could spawn a plethora of plastic dolls/"figures" of personages, and for little females to go about with plastic tiaras on their heads, humming a song about "December," and with their music boxes that still gather dust in makeshift "shrines" today, etc.  At least it is recognized for what it is/was: It was a money-making venture, that seems to sell spin-offs even to a tiny new cadre of young females  (can't say I have heard of any male admirers!) today.  NOW, has come the final discovery of ALL members of the IF, bone-wise.  Chapter and verse closed!  It is immaterial who was burned/buried with the Heir; they are ALL quite dead, and aren't coming back, despite past life "remembrances."  Since I am not Orthodox, I will of respect, NOT enter the religious status/fray.  I leave that to the "believers." NO startling new facts have emerged. Correspondence is being more throughly evaluated for mis-quotes, poetically attributed to these rather ordinary and not well-educated siblings, and I applaud the honesty in the new appraisals.  As to "popularity," those of you who read the excellent "Glittering Royal Events" Board, will note that the "Imperial Russian" Board section is wavering on its feet for lack of interest/contributions. The last was Jan., 2010, and before that, September, 2009.  No "top best sellers" in books on the Romanov topic have come forth since the likes of Massie and Kuth, YEARS ago, etc. The greatest participation on our own Alexander Plaace Forum individual boards (aside from the ubiquitious "Having Fun Board"), is on "The Windsors" !  Back to the title:  "Still So Popular?"  Only to a handful !  But that's fine, it's their own individual right of belief, however minimalist in number it is.    AP
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Re: Why Are the Romanovs Still So Popular 90 Years After Their Deaths?
« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2010, 12:02:05 PM »
Alexander Pavlovich, excellent and clear thoughts. I totally agree with you. If you don't mind, I can only add maybe the most defining thing in all these Romanov's obsession, in addition to all visible things you've mentioned. But I must say in advance, that these are only my thoughts and nothing personal. Without any names.

There is another reason at least for me which is maybe the most important and at the same time hidden from an unprepared eye. The name of it is simple - human ideology. Maybe I'll say a little bit rough words, but nothing personal: any country in this world (even the prosperous and free state) has a minority of liberal or moderate conservative, intelligent and working people (something like an elite/right-wing intellectuals and modern middle class), who don't believe in fairytails and simply don't have time to read/watch a lot about Romanovs. They also don't believe in communism, socialism, monarchy and other "ideas". For these people Romanovs are just an interesting story and rather important part of Russian History. Nothing more. But sadly to me, other and defining number of people in this world (left-wing majority) like fairy tales of brotherhood, equality and dancing on the balls;). Unfortunately, even the intelligent part of them in majority think that for example Communism "in general", as a "theory" and without millions of innocent victims is rather good thing, Socialism/Social democracy is also not bad at all, something like a partly democratic state with the huge elements of brotherhood and equality. And now to our case,

These people (even good and sober-minded) also believe in one innocent thing - monarchy. They don't have it in their free (still free) countries at the moment, but know about the Romanovs. Romanovs in this case are a very important moment of excuse of your own utopian views. "Look: they existed! These beautiful girls, Alexei and Nicholas II. They ruled the huge country. Wow! Hence, it is possible and all our boring liberals are wrong! I also want to live there, in the interesting Romanov's times." They forget only one important thing in this case (or don't know), that during all the Imperial Russian period (as in the Soviet times) people were hard suffered or repressed by their ethnicity/status (Yurovsky family for example was exiled and Jews were suffered. That's why I can understand his personal motivation at 17 of July), Russia was a strong vertical-power system with an innocent victims of regime, Imperial Russia created Secret police ("de facto" ancestor of KGB) and so on and so on. This is the other side of Russian Monarchy.

That's why at least for me it's clear that for the people who believe in fairytales (including the big number of even very intelligent people) Romanovs, being taken out of the context of Russian History are a simply excuse for their own utopian views. Very simple thing! So, I think that this "reason of obsession" is a very important or even the main, while others: Anastasia movie, Anna Anderson, Romanov's mysterious murder an so on, are rather minor compared to this thing.

I only hope to be properly understood and as for me personally, I like to study about the Romanovs and closer/related to them people as a part of interesting Russian/Soviet History (in fact I'm more in early Soviet period), moreover I like their story as a part of History and all of them as a historical characters, but happily I don't have any "obsessions" and hope will not have.
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Re: Why Are the Romanovs Still So Popular 90 Years After Their Deaths?
« Reply #95 on: May 23, 2010, 06:13:58 AM »
'I doubt that King George V would ever have been able to "not insist" on helping them.'

This is probably true.  I do think that it's a pity that the British are so heavily blamed for not coming to the aid
of the Russian Royal family when the royals of other countries could also have helped them.

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Re: Why Are the Romanovs Still So Popular 90 Years After Their Deaths?
« Reply #96 on: May 23, 2010, 08:37:41 AM »
And who would those Royals be?  Denmark was in no position to insist on anything,  the Kaiser was at war with them and France was a republic.  The only Royals who could ahve possibly done anything were the British and they also had an obligation to help due to the number of Russian casualties that had prevented the Germans from attacking with their full armies.  The British did absolutely nothng to help the Imperial family in spite of King George being Nicholas first cousin.  And they could have done a lot as they had access to Murmansk and the new communist government wouldnt has sruvived a full intervention by the British.  As well you have to consider the damage done by the British arming and training the Japanese just prior to 1905 which led to the destruction of the Russian fleet and the 1905 revolution.