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« on: November 02, 2009, 11:45:24 AM »
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Anne Marie Victoire de Bourbon (11 August, 1675 - 23 October, 1700), known as Mademoiselle d'Enghien then Mademoiselle de Condé was a grand daughter of le Grand Condé; does anyone know if she was ever engaged to anyone at court?!

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« on: November 03, 2009, 12:56:08 PM »
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COME ON PEOPLE! :@ HA
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« on: November 04, 2009, 06:32:54 AM »
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Anne Marie Victoire was the eldest daughter of the Prince de Condé but was passed over for marriage to the Duc du Maine in favour of her younger sister, Anne-Louise-Benedicte, who was "two fingers" taller.  The daughters of M. le Duc (as he was known at court) were tiny and were called "poupees du sang" (dolls of the blood) rather than princesses of the blood.  Mlle de Condé was extremely upset by this, and having to continue to live with the upset and torment caused by the her father (who was considered almost insane) and to that was attributed her early death (although lung disease played its part).  Saint Simon considered that Mlle de Condé had "a beautiful countenance, and an even more beautiful soul, great wit, sense, reason, kindness, and piety which sustained her in her very sad life. So was she really regretted by all who knew her".
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« on: November 04, 2009, 01:17:33 PM »
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thaaanks..but she wasnt the oldest daughter was she?!
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« on: November 05, 2009, 03:47:26 AM »
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I should have said she was the oldest princess in line to be married - her sister Marie Therese, was married to the Prince de Conti and it should have been Anne Marie Victoire's turn.   
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« on: January 18, 2010, 02:15:50 PM »
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I´ve read that the small height was brought into the family with Claire Clemence de Maille (grandmother of Anne Marie Victoire)...
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« on: January 19, 2010, 12:08:09 PM »
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I´ve read that the small height was brought into the family with Claire Clemence de Maille (grandmother of Anne Marie Victoire)...

She was very short, and had to wear such high heels to her wedding that she slipped while dancing and fell sprawling on the floor.  Her children were certainly small, and her grandchildren were tiny.  The Grand Condé said that if his race continued to dwindle at the current rate, eventually it would disappear entirely.
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« on: January 19, 2010, 07:59:15 PM »
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I´ve read that the small height was brought into the family with Claire Clemence de Maille (grandmother of Anne Marie Victoire)...

She was very short, and had to wear such high heels to her wedding that she slipped while dancing and fell sprawling on the floor.  Her children were certainly small, and her grandchildren were tiny.  The Grand Condé said that if his race continued to dwindle at the current rate, eventually it would disappear entirely.

Well,he was right ;(
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« on: January 20, 2010, 02:53:39 AM »
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Well,he was right ;(

I don't think he anticipated the elimination of the House of Condé by the shooting of the Duc d'Enghien - who seems to have recovered the height lost in previous generations.
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« on: January 20, 2010, 12:03:55 PM »
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Well,he was right ;(

I don't think he anticipated the elimination of the House of Condé by the shooting of the Duc d'Enghien - who seems to have recovered the height lost in previous generations.

Lol! Claire-Clémence also brought the Condé's their famous 'madness' - her son Henri Jules, father of Anne Marie, was terribly mad i hear =[
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« on: January 21, 2010, 07:08:23 AM »
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He was subject to frenzied rages when he howled silently like a dog or wolf, beat his wife (and servants, but the court naturally were unconcerned about them), and at various times thought he was a bat, rabbit or a plant, and required treating as such (e.g. when thinking he was a plant, having his servants water him).  At one stage he thought he was dead and was starving himself, until his servants pretended that a some of them were dead too, and encouraged him to eat with them until that particular manifestation had worn off.

When in the presence of Louis XIV, his behaviour was greatly modified due to the awe he felt for the King, who pretended not to notice the faces he made or his silent howling, which he probably couldn't control.  However, with anyone else he had no such inhibitions and the female members of his family at least were vulnerable to his rages and moods.  Very occasionally he would actually behave appropriately and graciously ask someone to dinner but anyone who knew him was so frightened of being at the receiving end of his rages, or mad fits, they tried to avoid being in his company if at all possible.
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