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Offline Greg D

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Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« on: June 22, 2004, 01:51:17 AM »
Pavlovsk is a lovely place .... much more "elegant" and tasteful than some of the more stately and "imperial" palaces.  When visiting last year, unfortunately I only got to see the park, not the palace interiors, but it was well worth it.

The best book on pavlovsk is probably "Pavlovsk: the life of a Russian Palace", by Suzanne Massie. It also has a good description of The Alexander palace, and general post war restoration. I enjoyed it immensely.



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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2004, 07:01:05 AM »
Elisa,

Suzanne's book is the best for this history of the Palace (and is available in paperback), but the best visual guide to the palace is "Pavlovsk; Palace and Park" published by Editions Alain de Gourcuff in Paris in 1993.  The Editor was Emmanuel Ducamp.

If you can find it, it runs about 200 dollars for two volumes, one of pictures of the palace and objects in the collections, and one of pictures of the park and its follies.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2004, 09:36:42 AM »
I would like to second Nick,s recommendation ... the Pavlovsk edition is visually amazing, showing all the rooms in the palace and very beautifully presented.
The cost is somewhat high though ... I found my copy when my local art bookshop had a sale .. it was a third of the price !!

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2004, 02:05:19 PM »
Emmanuel Ducamp edited several books which are published by Editions Alain Gourcuff, including Views of Moscow, and the Kremlin Palace interiors.  The Pavlovsk book is by far the most interesting.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2004, 10:11:17 PM »
Hi Nick !

Were the two volumes on Pavlovsk part of Alain de Gourcuff's "Imperial Palaces in the Vicinity of St. Petersburg"? I had thought that this was a set of volumes on Tsarskoye Selo, Pavlovsk, and Peterhof. Especially with a price of US $265.00 !!!!

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2004, 03:54:21 AM »
Hi Joanna,

The Pavlovsk edition is a seperate Boxed set of two volumes comprising photographs of the palace, park and collections...

The "Imperial Palaces in the vicinity of St Petersburg" boxed set is primarily 19th Century watercolours of the palaces and interiors of Gatchina, Tsarskoe Selo, Peterhof and Pavlovsk. This edition is great to see the rooms of the palaces when the Imperial family of the time was actually living in them, with some of the paintings being of photographic accuracy.

They are both expensive, but for us addicts, a worthwhile puchase no doubt !

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2004, 08:04:33 AM »
Many thanks Greg_D ! I would adore all of the them but especially of Tsarskoye Selo but at that price sigh!

There is another book of Emmanuel Ducamp by Madame Korshunova on The Winter Palace that is at US $195! I think it was Daniel who posted of the Hermitage's Virtual Academy that has E. Hau's and other artiests c1860's watercolors of some of the rooms.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2004, 01:45:38 AM »
Up until World War II, I believe the trains to Pavlovsk arrived at the Vokzaal station and concert hall, situated in the Park itself.
This was destroyed completely by the Germans, and at present there is only a clearing in the trees left ... does anyone have any photos of the station/concert hall, or know if the building is on the list for restoration ??
Hopefully it will be one day, as many famous composers - Glinka, Johann Strauss, and I think Tchaichovsky, played here and even composed music specifically for perfomances here.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2004, 02:29:13 AM »
Could someone explain me something?

I have read in a book that Pavlovsk was occupied a very long time by the Grand Princess Alexandra Iosifovna, only surviving of the old court of Nicholas I, and that she lived in the palace until her death in  1911...

But in an another book, I have read that the palace was a museum during the time of Nicholas II

What is the true?  ???

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2004, 04:21:16 AM »
As far as I recall, the Palace was owned by Grand Duke Konstantine Konstantinovich the family artist and poet until his death in 1915, then inherited by his son Ioann until 1917... I think various other members of the family also had apartments there as well e.g Queen Olga of Greece (born a Konstantinovichi)...
As far as the museum idea goes, after the death of Maria Feodorovna (wife of Paul I), the subsequent owners left the main body  and contents of the palace intact, therby perhaps unintentionally creating a "museum" of the late 18th century.

Hope this is of use leonora :)
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2004, 04:29:03 AM »
thank you Greg for your reply
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2004, 06:45:31 AM »
There was also a wooden Konstantine Palace that had been moved from Tsarskoe Selo  to the Pavlovsk Park and many of the family preferred to live in this smaller more intimate palace.  It is pictured in the watercolors in Ducamp's book.  Unfortunately, I have no way to scan the drawing in.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2004, 09:32:04 AM »
Here is the Konstantin palace´s lake facade.



This wooden palace already was, it seems, in poor condition right before the revolution. After the revolution it was used as a students´hostel. They made a kitchen of a corner ground floor room, and used glassware and chine services with the imperial coat-of-arms and a design of a ribbon written with the motto "Follow a straight path". Needless to say, there was little left of that service in a few months.
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2004, 11:26:26 AM »
The famous railway station / concert hall in Pavlovsk (Vokzal) was indeed destroyed during WWII, but its use as a rail station had stopped before the war. When the Tsarskoye Selo - Dno line was built in 1904-1911 as a part of the Moscow-Windau-Rybinsk railway, the new Pavlovsk-2 station was opened, and commuter traffic from SPb was rerouted via that station.

There are plans currently to restore the Vokzal - named BTW after London's Vauxhall.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2004, 11:48:05 AM »
Hello Mike,

I love anything related to the station and its history. Your news is great, so then there is a project for its restoration? Last time i was there only the remains of the beautiful fountain and stone grounds(?) of the nearby music pavillion were left standing. That station is so full of history, or russian musical history....

Is there any project for restoring the wooden theater?