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Offline Mike

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2004, 01:42:37 PM »
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Is there any project for restoring the wooden theater?

At this stage - just talks and discussions in the media. Have you seen the Russian film Farewell St.Petersburg, a romantic story about Johann Strauss' performances at Pavlovsk, where the Vokzal was shown in great detail?

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2004, 03:57:40 PM »
Are there any plans to restore the wooden Konstantine Palace?

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2004, 05:18:45 PM »
Antonio,
You come up with the greatest pictures!  Thanks so much for posting the wooden palace.
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2004, 06:06:41 PM »
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At this stage - just talks and discussions in the media. Have you seen the Russian film Farewell St.Petersburg, a romantic story about Johann Strauss' performances at Pavlovsk, where the Vokzal was shown in great detail?


Hello Mike,

I ´have never seen such film, but it sounds just great :). You say the Vokzal is shown in great detail, do you mean that the film is from before the WWII?? Well, if it´s so, then it´s a treasure, something like a time machine...

Pavlovsk is so hauntingly beautiful. Not only the palace but also each tree, bridge (should i say "mostiki" Mike?), the river...

There were so many lovely pavillions that have been lost. The new and old chalets, Maria´s farm, the Elizabeth pavillion, etc... I hope with time (and money) the restorers will bring them back to life.

And Bobg, i´m just too happy you enjoyed the photo :)
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2004, 12:48:19 AM »
Antonio, the film was made in the 70s, but they had built an exact stage set.
"Mostiki" means "small bridges", sungular: "mostik".

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2004, 01:37:23 AM »
Thanks Mike and Antonio for the information regarding the Vokzal station  :)
I must admit I thought the train station currently there did seem too nice and elegant to be from soviet times  ;)
The train journey I took back to St Petersburg from Pavlovsk was an experience !! very basic seating, packed to the rafters, but cheap, clean and bang-on-time ... not something you can say about trains here in England !!
The musical tradition appears to be continuing at Pavlovsk, as one of the "magical moments" of my holiday, was walking through the woods, and as we approached the Round Hall, a Chopin piano recital was taking place ... to hear the music in those tranquil surroundings was great ;D
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2004, 10:21:19 AM »
The new station in Pavlovsk was built around 1952. I've noted elsewhere ("Soviet life") that railways were one of the positive aspects of everyday life in the USSR. Trains were cheap, reasonably comfortable and almost always right on schedule. Rail stations were designed and built under tight central control and on ample budgets, so that in many towns the station was the most attractive and well-kept building. They were also among the first buildings to be restored or built anew after WWII.

Here is another photo of the Vokzal concert hall built by A. Shtakenshneider.


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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2004, 06:03:36 AM »
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There is another book of Emmanuel Ducamp by Madame Korshunova on The Winter Palace that is at US $195! I think it was Daniel who posted of the Hermitage's Virtual Academy that has E. Hau's and other artiests c1860's watercolors of some of the rooms.

i have this book.   it's large and very thick & heavy.   and boxed.

and absolutely wonderful!

300 pages;  hundreds of Hau's watercolors (some of them are so skillfully done, you'd SWEAR they were photographs!);  also contains
watercolors by Premazzi & Ukhtomsky;  but what i love most, is how extensive & thorough it is.   there is a view for most of the main rooms (& in some cases, several views, in order to show it's transformation over time);   the images cover the state apartments, the private apartments of the imperial family & the various rooms in the 4 reserve apartments (each reserve apartment consists of several rooms).




of course, in the book, each watercolor occupies an entire page, with the description, & where the room represented is situated, occupying the page opposite.

as i said,
it's absolutely wonderful.    i would have done just about anything in order to buy it.    i spent about 4 hours a day for 3 days thumbing through it, much to the dismay & irritation of the staff in the upscale bookstore.    it was "suggested" to me that i either buy it or forget about it --- but, in either case, that i not come back.     i left.

then, i actually dreamt about the book.  
i took it as a sign, albeit, a very CONVENIENT sign! <wink>.    though i could ill afford to, i used part of the rent money to buy it.    

it was worth it.

it was SO worth it.
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2004, 07:39:50 PM »
From the St. Petersburg Times of January 24, 2003, there is an article 'Rebuilding Pavlovsk on the Quiet' of the incredible work of Sergey Gutzait. On the question of property rights he says "...But, even if the worst should happen, the buildings will stay, which is the most important thing. So we will continue renovating, rebuilding and recreating the park.."


Joanna
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2007, 12:14:00 PM »
Here is the Konstantin palace´s lake facade.

This wooden palace already was, it seems, in poor condition right before the revolution. After the revolution it was used as a students´hostel. They made a kitchen of a corner ground floor room, and used glassware and chine services with the imperial coat-of-arms and a design of a ribbon written with the motto "Follow a straight path". Needless to say, there was little left of that service in a few months.


Do you think this palace is the one in the pic I am posting?



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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2007, 12:18:27 PM »



Does anyone know where it was located, I mean near or far from the main palace? Near one the most important pavillions?

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2007, 12:24:43 PM »
When did the Konstantinovichi decided not to live anymore in this palace?

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2007, 06:15:34 AM »
When did the Konstantinovichi decided not to live anymore in this palace?

If I am correct the last owner (host) lived in the old Konstantinovskiy palace was GD Mikhail Pavlovich. He and his family prefered the palace as a summer residence.

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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2007, 08:42:27 AM »
I thought that Konstantine Konstantinovich (KR) and his family lived in the old Konstantinovskiy palace preferring it to living in Pavlovsk.  I also thought his wife and family and sister-in-law Queen Olga moved to Pavlovsk only after the revolution to attempt to safeguard it and its furnishings.  It may be that guests like Olga who spent a lot of time at Pavlovsk always had rooms in the main palace while KR and his family preferred to live in the old palace. 
Can anyone confirm?
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Re: Pavlovsk, the Palaces
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2007, 09:05:16 AM »
I thought that Konstantine Konstantinovich (KR) and his family lived in the old Konstantinovskiy palace preferring it to living in Pavlovsk.  I also thought his wife and family and sister-in-law Queen Olga moved to Pavlovsk only after the revolution to attempt to safeguard it and its furnishings.  It may be that guests like Olga who spent a lot of time at Pavlovsk always had rooms in the main palace while KR and his family preferred to live in the old palace. 
Can anyone confirm?
BobG

As I know all the family of KR preferred to live in the Pavlovsk palace not in the old Konstantinovskiy palace. And I've just found out that GD KN, father of KR, lived in the old palace with his family.
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