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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2014, 07:35:36 PM »
Can anyone tell me where the Imperial Waiting Room was located at Vitebsk Railway station?  Is it within the main building or the small building to the right of the main station? It is my understanding that the Imperial Family had their own separate building to wait in.  Can you visit it?
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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2014, 09:32:12 AM »

Всё там же и стоит рядом с Витебским вокзалом.
All the same, and stands next to the Vitebsk Station.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2014, 04:45:39 PM »
Geglov3, Thank you very much for sharing the photograph of the Imperial Pavilion.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2014, 05:03:40 PM »
Looking forward to your book Kalafrana!  I am probably telling what you already know but just in case.........  The main line ran from Vitebsky Vokzal to Pavlovsk and further.  That occupies the present line which you mention.  There was also a main line to Gatchina and further.  There was a loop joining these two lines, from Aleksandrovsk on the Gatchina line to somewhere north of the present Platform 21 on the Pavlovsk line.  The Royal Station, the remains of which still stand, near Alexander Palace was on this loop.  I don't know whether the Royal Station was only used for official traffic or whether there was a regular service for visiting dignitaries, palace workers etc.  Nor do I know where your two gentlemen are coming from but if there was such a service and they were coming from the palace they would not have walked two kilometres down to the main line..... or at least I wouldn't! 

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2014, 01:35:53 PM »

Подробнее вот (Read more here)
http://geglov2.narod.ru/photo/050_raznoe_carskoe_selo/karty_i_plany_carskogo_sela/64

Имеется ввиду павильон Урицкого и ветка Павловск I.
There is a view pavilion Urickogo and branch Pavlovsk I.  

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2014, 03:49:15 PM »
If you arenít already aware of it, that first station at the end of the line in Pavlovsk was a pleasure pavilion patterned after the pleasure park in Vauxhall, London.

Concerts and musical performances were held there, and people came from St. Petersburg for the day and evening.

It is also the source of the Russian word for a large railway station.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Gardens


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlovsk,_Saint_Petersburg

In the 19th century, Pavlovsk became a favorite summer retreat for well-to-do inhabitants of the Russian capital. The life of Pavlovsk's dachniki was described by Dostoyevsky, who frequently visited the town, in his novel The Idiot. To facilitate transportation, the first railway in Russia, the Tsarskoe Selo Railways, was built around 1836. The first test runs were performed between Pavlovsk and Tsarskoye Selo using carriages horse-drawn over the rails. Regular trains powered by steam locomotives began operating between Pavlovsk and St. Petersburg from May 1838. Aiming to promote the railways, the train terminal of Pavlovsk was built in 1836Ė1838 as an entertaining center. It then regularly hosted evening festivities, and Johann Strauss II (1856), Franz Liszt, Robert Schumann and Feodor Chaliapin were among the celebrities who performed there. The station was called 'Vauxhall Pavilion', and its fame eventually caused the modified from Vauxhall word "Vokzal" to enter the Russian language, with the meaning "substantial railway station building".
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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2014, 04:09:27 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitebsky_railway_station


And here are some shots of the restored Vitebsk / Tsarskoe Selo Station in St. Petersburg, including the Tsarís Pavilion:

Exterior:
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/266/index_e.html

Interior:
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/267/index_e.html

More general shots:
http://tinyurl.com/orj32bk
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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2014, 04:13:08 PM »
And here is the newly erected memorial to the Russian soldiers of WW I who left from that station:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog?entry_id=1455778
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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2014, 09:36:52 AM »
The map supplied by geglov3 is interesting but is irrelevant to Kalafrana's question because her book relates to 1916 and this is obviously a much later Soviet map.  In my previous post I mentioned the loop line from Alexandrovskaya to a point north of Platform 21 on the Vitebsk/Pavlovsk line.  The beginning of this loop line is shown on the map going from Alexandrovskaya to Поб Урицк.  It is still there, leading into a factory.  On the map it stops there - dead end! - but the original line branched north, crossed two bridges and arrived at the boundary of Alexander Park where the Royal station was situated (the ruined building still exists). The line continued from there to join the main line as I say north of Platform 21 on the main line.  Traffic from the Palace would have used this line when going into Peter and travelled the other way through Alexandrovskaya if going to Gatchina or further.  The line is no longer there being I presume superfluous to requirements once the Palace ceased to be a royal residence.  I found info when I did research a couple of years ago at http://fedor-ragin.livejournal.com/2514html.  The lengthy text is in Russian but the photos are excellent and speak for themselves.
I hope Kalafrana understands that there were two stations in Tsarskoe Selo and she has to know from which her passengers are travelling.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2014, 01:47:49 PM »
Many thanks for all these interesting details. My two characters are coming from the barracks of HM Life Guard Hussars, which is much nearer to the Alexander Palace than to the present station.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2014, 05:41:47 AM »
Это вопрос или утверждение ?
This is a question or a statement?

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2016, 05:47:29 PM »
Ann

I already posted this but I am putting it here as well:

www.aroundspb.ru/maps has a map of St Petersburg/Petrograd/Leningrad dated 2.26 (February 1926?) and the surrounding area including Tsarkoe Selo . It is a topographical map  and I don't think the area changed that much since 1916-17

There is also a 1943 railroad atlas at www.soldat.ru.filers

I hope this is of some use.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2016, 12:34:41 AM »
James

Definitely useful.

I will have a look.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2016, 05:16:29 PM »
At looking at some of the replies I have some comments:

Coffee was getting in short supply in Russia in 1916. If it involves Sandro who was a Prince even he would be complaining about its high cost and being hard to get. You might want to have them drinking tea.

Train travel was longer in 1916 do to the demands of WW I which clogged the tracks. Add to this the Russian rail service was breaking down by this time in part do to overuse and lack of maintenance. you could have Sandro and others complaining about how bad things are getting.

Stavka as a reply pointed out would have the Quartermaster ready to handle incoming officers. Sandro  and all others would have to show there travel orders and identification ect.

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Re: Railway Stations
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2016, 07:04:59 AM »
James

Once again, many thanks. I can certainly fit in the coffee shortage and train delays. Fortunately, the Life Guard Hussars have a very efficient Officers' Mess Warrant Officer, who has managed to get hold of coffee, but perhaps the mess bills have had to go up!

Ann