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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #165 on: November 13, 2011, 11:35:42 AM »

I have one more photograph I'm working on - I need some more certanty though.
I might add it with a "most probably".

Greetings,

Jan


We love solving 'who is it' here in the Forums! )) Might be very interesting.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #166 on: November 13, 2011, 12:21:32 PM »
You are right .....

Please find it here:



The titles read "Prinzessin Mimi(?)" and "Prinzessin Beth von Sachsen - Altenburg" and "1882 oder 83".

The seated girl is to my opinion Maria von Sachsen - Altenburg and the standing girl Elisabeth von Sachsen - Altenburg.
I have also thought of Maria von Sachsen - Meiningen but since I also have a photograph of her I must say she does not look like them.

I'm not certain about the "Mimi" - it could be Mari but that is ot very logic.

Thanks in advance !

Jan


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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #167 on: November 13, 2011, 12:24:27 PM »
They are Marianne and Elisabeth of Saxe-Altenburg. Marianne's profile is very unmistakable. Mimi and Beth are definitely the girls' nicknames.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #168 on: November 30, 2011, 05:33:35 AM »
GDss Elizaveta M. and her SIL Queen Olga of Greece


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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #169 on: December 01, 2011, 04:52:01 AM »
GDss Elizaveta M. and her SIL Queen Olga of Greece

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/emolga.jpg


yet another beautiful photograph, this time not a mother and daughter image, but two sisters-in-law...they look so close to one another in this photo...there should really be a photo-album on Queen Olga's images, like the ones on GD Ella and Queen Marie of Romania...Queen Olga's photographs are just too beautiful and would definitely deserve their own book...

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #170 on: February 03, 2012, 09:45:05 PM »


Children of Konstantin Konstantinovich and Elizaveta Mavrikievna.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #171 on: February 04, 2012, 10:06:00 AM »
Original and very nice   ::)

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #172 on: February 04, 2012, 10:25:13 AM »
Hi,

Correct me if I'm wrong -  -
Ioann (John)
Gavril (Gabriel)
Tatiana
Constantine
Oleg
Igor
George
Vera

Oleg died in WWI
Ioann, Constantine and Igor died with the Grand Duchess Elisabeth
and only Gavril, Tatiana & Vera survived.
What happened to George???

Larry

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #173 on: February 04, 2012, 10:56:45 AM »
and only Gavril, Tatiana & Vera survived.
What happened to George???
George survived too.
In 1929 he moved to New York. He died of peritonitis in 1938 and is buried at Mount Olivet Cemetery, Maspeth, Long Island.
Мишкин, Мишкин - зашелестел кумачовым флагом на улице озорник ветер...

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #174 on: February 04, 2012, 02:55:35 PM »

Is there any information about Tatiana's brother Teymuraz?

Ann

Teimuraz Constantinovich died on April 10, 1992.

An obituary appeared in the NYC Russian newspaper "Novoye Russkoye Slovo" on April 23, p. 4.

The Tolstoy Foundation, of which he was head, has this short note on its web-site:
http://www.tolstoyfoundation.org/bagration.html

NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/18/nyregion/bagration-mukhransky-memorial-services.html

And Wikipedia too...
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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2012, 11:06:50 PM »
Hi,

Thank you Olgasha, for that information on George.  Appreciated!!

Larry

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #176 on: February 05, 2012, 03:52:39 AM »
Good to hear that Teimuraz Konstantinovich was a public-spirited fellow. His mother had a far more than averagely difficult life - First husband killed in battle, as was one brother, three brothers and favourite uncle killed by the Bolsheviks, second husband died after only three months of marriage.

Ann

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #177 on: February 05, 2012, 08:29:22 AM »
Prince Teimuraz's widow gifted/bequeathed a few very modest items of Faberge to the british royal family for the Royal collection.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #178 on: February 05, 2012, 04:33:04 PM »
Great pictures!  I understand the KR was the last imperial funeral?

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin (KR) and his family- discussion and pictures, Part II
« Reply #179 on: February 05, 2012, 08:32:34 PM »
and only Gavril, Tatiana & Vera survived.
What happened to George???
George survived too.
In 1929 he moved to New York. He died of peritonitis in 1938 and is buried at Mount Olivet Cemetery, Maspeth, Long Island.

1)
And, as noted elsewhere on the forum, Princess Vera Constantinovna later had his body moved to the cemetery at Novo Diveevo, in Nanuet, NY.
See this post in Part I (which is now locked) of this thread:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=408.msg261931#msg261931

2)
I would also like to comment about another post in Part I:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=408.msg267905#msg267905
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Maybe there isn't enough for a whole book. Just because someone is royal or born to a fascinating family doesn't make their own life intrinsically book-worthy. Her life in the United States, for all its length, was fairly uneventful and quiet. There was a decent amount in the book on her family, Gilded Prism.

'Thus began [the escape from Russia] a nomadic existence, moving to Belgium before finally settling in her mother's native Germany, where she lived through the difficult years' of WW2....'For many years, as she later admitted, she was haunted by the 'monstrous' events of the Revolution. 'For many years,' she recalled, 'I used to have the same dream, as if I stood with my back to a pit and they were going to shoot me...my awakening was not less terrible than the dream itself, because I was constantly afraid to open my eyes and see that they had really come to take me to the execution.' After WW2, fleeing the Soviets, she 'faced the harsh truth that she belonged to no country' as she only had an ambiguous Nansen passport which gave her the ability to travel but no protections of statehood. Despite this, she refused to take the protection offered to her by various European countries, feeling herself Russian. She moved to the US in 1951 and lived in New York where she was very active in charities but regarded some of the emigree community, and some of their pretensions, with skepticism. She didn't have the 'nostalgic idyll' of many emigrees but rather the memories of her childhood and her lost family. The 'constant stream' of visitors she regarded with some amusement and also found it rather 'trying'. She didn't care for those who would 'speak in awe-struck tones' of the late Imperial family--she would often relate stories of their humanness and misbehavior. For her they remained her 'childhood playmates, not distant figures for adoration'. She also regarded the canonization of the Romanovs, including her brothers and uncle, as a 'puzzling, peculiar' move by the Church. 

Princess Vera Constantinovna's attitude toward the glorification of the New Martyrs of Russia was neither "puzzling" nor "peculiar", but the above statement most certainly is both.

True, Princess Vera did not overly romanticize her family's past, or Imperial Russia, but she fully supported the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad's decision to glorify the New Martyrs of Russia.

It was a day she longed to see, and which she was grateful to have lived to see.

If she truly found the act of glorification "puzzling" or "peculiar", she certainly would not have taken such an active part in the preparations for it, nor have attended all the church services relating to it.
She could have simply remained at home.

As it was, she attended the Vigil service on the eve of the glorification, standing front and center when the new icon was solemnly unveiled and the first hymns in honor of the New Martyrs were chanted.
She stood through the very long Liturgy the next morning, received Holy Communion, and was present at the festive banquet held afterwards.

Years later she still spoke of how much it meant to her.

Here is a letter which she sent to us in 1986.
It is written on her stationery from the Tolstoy Foundation, and bears her crowned monogram "BK".

Among other things, she states:

"...By the way, I did not see his [Constantine's] godsons at the glorification of the New Martyrs there were almost more people present than at Pascha, and we, the family, were standing up front. Without assistance, I would not have been able to to up to the Cup [to receive Communion]. I will never forget those days, which I had so been awaiting. And coming up soon is the 1,000th anniversary of the baptism of Rus'..."



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