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Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« on: February 24, 2010, 07:13:05 PM »
Okay... So... What gives here? Why is Georgy, of all people, now calling for a re-examination of the Ekaterinburg remains? What could possibly be his motive?

From Today's Interfax
24 February 2010, 16:18
House of Romanovs wants royal remains to be re-examined
Please See: http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=6964

Moscow, February 24, Interfax - The House of Romanovs has said it wants to re-examine what is thought to be the remains of the last Russian Tsar Nicholas II and his family found in Yekaterinburg.

"Unfortunately, there is too much confusion in this case and some serious errors were made when the Yekaterinburg remains were being identified," Prince Georgy Mikhailovich, the son of the Romanovs' House head Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, told Interfax on Wednesday.

"Many of the facts uncovered suggest that the Commission was staging a political show for a date, rather than working to establish the truth," Romanov said.

The remains were buried in St. Petersburg in 1998 in haste and in defiance of the opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church and the House of Romanovs, he said.

"No satisfactory answers have been provided to the ten questions, formulated by independent scholars and referred to the Commission back in 1998 by the late Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II.

Meanwhile, those were questions, which interested not only experts, but also people and millions of believers. The Church needed to console these people instead of leaving them with a feeling of having been deceived. The Commission did not care. There was a farce instead of an act of repentance and purification," he said.

The remains' authenticity must be further studied, Romanov said.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 07:29:06 PM »
Yaaaawn! Goodness me but this becoming so tedious! Perhaps George and his mother are feeling neglected and want to heighten their profiles again! What possible good is this going to do? I take it then that he is not demanding that the bones identified as Alexei and Maria/Anastasia be retested? Just those tested in 1998?


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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2010, 08:09:25 PM »
Tchelogovitov ruled that because Maria Pavlovna (elder) was NOT Pravoslavnaya when her children were born, under the laws of succession they were excluded. Somewhere in GARF is his report on the subject to Nicholas II. This whole statement is a waste of time and bid for attention from Georgie who has nothing anyway.

yawn indeed.

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 08:46:48 PM »
Oooh FA a kindred spirit on that issue! How nice not to feel like I am being a lonesome sour puss nit picker! I am glad someone has found the proof in the pudding so to speak! I was cornered over this issue in the wives for George thread and gave up in the end as I thought I was being perceived to be splitting hairs!

I wish George Prinz von Prussein would just get on with being a nickel dealer and be quiet! This is all becoming unpleasantly farcical!

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2010, 08:53:20 PM »
I will chime in and say, although I have been a long time supporter of Maria  & Georg,   they are just wasting time  & resources  at this point. Who cares? 3rd yawn.
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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 12:09:56 AM »
Okay... So... What gives here? Why is Georgy, of all people, now calling for a re-examination of the Ekaterinburg remains? What could possibly be his motive?

George's mother appears to have partly delegated this matter to her son. One can only wonder whether this pair of less than regal pretenders bothered to read the Commission's final report and fully understand its contents.

Comprehensive responses to the 10 questions were certainly provided and were included in the Final Report (which I do have).

The audaciousness of George's remarks are certainly intended to seek attention. The fact that Mr Kendrick posted the Interfax article on this Forum indicates that George's statements suceeded in catching his attention and perhaps create a modicum of interest on this Forum.

It is important to remember that it was the Russian Orthodox Church that buried the Imperial Family and their retinue and that most members of the Romanov family were in attendance. The fact that George's mother chose not to attend was her personal choice.

Perhaps George ought to turn around and look at who is maintaining the farce ...

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 12:30:54 AM »

It is important to remember that it was the Russian Orthodox Church that buried the Imperial Family and their retinue

Margarita

It is important to remember that the Russian Orthodox Church did not, in fact, bury the Ekaterinburg remains as members of the Imperial family.  The names of the family members were not used by the Church at any time during the service.  As far as the Church is concerned, the remains now buried at Peter and Paul were identified during the service on July 17th 1998 only as "martyrs of the Revolution".
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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 01:02:27 AM »
Nice to see you back so soon John!

Don't forget that it was the Orthodox Church, which authorized the placement of memorial wall plaques each bearing the name of the Imperial Family interred in that annex.

This Cathedral does not bury random victims of the bolshevik revolution within its walls!

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 05:17:25 AM »
Could somebody post a link to these ten questions (or point me in the direction of one), so that I can find out exactly what the Patriarch's quibbles are?

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 08:53:01 AM »

Don't forget that it was the Orthodox Church, which authorized the placement of memorial wall plaques each bearing the name of the Imperial Family interred in that annex. This Cathedral does not bury random victims of the bolshevik revolution within its walls!

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... and to quote the SEARCH Foundation website that currently bears your name:
 
"A very sad chapter in Russian and World history still remains to be closed. The Russian Orthodox Church has yet to accept these remains as those of the Romanovs. All scientific proof has been submitted to Church Hierarchs. To date no official proclamation has been issued by the Moscow Patriarchate."

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 07:34:06 PM »
Could somebody post a link to these ten questions (or point me in the direction of one), so that I can find out exactly what the Patriarch's quibbles are?

Ann

The following is from the meeting of the Holy Synod, July 17, 1997:

"After a discussion, the following resolution was adopted:

...That the Holy Synod assure the church and the international public that it is committed to the search for the truth with regards to the remains found near Ekaterinburg and is willing to contribute to the completion of the investigation and that it prays God may help us in this understanding.

As a result of this position of the Church, the Commission at its meeting on 15 November 1995 set forth the following actions to be taken for further study:

1. A stomatological examination;
2. A full anthropological examination of the bones;
3. Removing differences between the results of the Russian expertise and the conclusion made by Prof. Maples concerning the identification of Remains No. 6 (Anastasia or Marie);
4. An analysis of the conclusion made by Kolchak's government after its own investigation that the Imperial family was fully eliminated and a comparison between other results of the investigation made in the period 1918-1924 and today;
5. A graphological and stylistic examination of the Yurovsky note;
6. An examination of the osseous callus on Skull No. 4;
7. An investigation in the fate of the remains of the heir Alexis and his sister;
8. A conclusion concerning the possibility for a full destruction of two bodies (the amount of firewood, kerosene, acid, time, and other conditions);
9. A confirmation or refutation of the ritual nature of the murder;
10. A confirmation or refutation of the evidence that Nicholas II was beheaded immediately after the murder."

These points were listed in a letter of the Chairman of the Commission Yuri Yarov to the General Prosecutor Yuri Skuratov, asking him to "find an opportunity for completing the investigation by experts and for solving the problems posed by the Commission under the criminal case". In his reply, the General Prosecutor Skuratov informed Yuri Yarov that "the decision made on 15 September 1995 to close the case was recognised as premature as the examination of some evidence, including Yurovsky's notes and the objects involved in the attempt at Nicholas II's  life in 1891 in Japan, as well as other investigative actions involved indirectly in the identification of the remains had not been made."
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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2010, 08:58:46 PM »

Don't forget that it was the Orthodox Church, which authorized the placement of memorial wall plaques each bearing the name of the Imperial Family interred in that annex. This Cathedral does not bury random victims of the bolshevik revolution within its walls!

Margarita


... and to quote the SEARCH Foundation website that currently bears your name:
 
"A very sad chapter in Russian and World history still remains to be closed. The Russian Orthodox Church has yet to accept these remains as those of the Romanovs. All scientific proof has been submitted to Church Hierarchs. To date no official proclamation has been issued by the Moscow Patriarchate."

Everything I said in my posts in this thread and including Peter's statement which appears on his SEARCH website is correct. I am delighted that you have accessed the SEARCH website.

Your initial question however relates to George, so what are your impressions about his motive?

Cheers,  ;  )

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 09:37:47 PM »

Your initial question however relates to George, so what are your impressions about his motive?

Cheers,  ;  )

Margarita

I'm not at all sure what to make of his motives, nor those of his mother.  That's why I asked.

I'm even more puzzled by his timing... unless it has somehow been influenced by the possible discovery of the four Grand Dukes.


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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2010, 09:58:15 PM »

Your initial question however relates to George, so what are your impressions about his motive?

Cheers,  ;  )

Margarita

I'm not at all sure what to make of his motives, nor those of his mother.  That's why I asked.

I'm even more puzzled by his timing... unless it has somehow been influenced by the possible discovery of the four Grand Dukes.

Wise not to start speculating as to whose remains were found in the grounds of the Petropavlovsky Fortress.

Please recognize that many hundreds of individuals were executed at that location.

Other than cursory examinations, no analytical tests have taken place on the 16 newly discovered bodies.

George's mother is certainly aware of the incontrovertible DNA results on the most recent Ekaterinburg remains. Just imagine her state of mind in having to publicly admit that she made a gross error of judgement about ALL the Imperial Remains and that Prince Nicholas Romanov, head of the Imperial House of Romanov was correct all along.

Cheers,

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Re: Georgy wants the Ekaterinburg remains re-examined
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 10:04:27 PM »
The reason for Grand Duke George's "timing" is that he was recently in Russia, where he met with the Patriarch among others, and while in Moscow His Imperial Highness was interviewed by several news organizations that posed the question to him.

He did not initiate the discussion.