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Re: Olga and Anastasia
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2010, 03:56:56 AM »
BlessOTMA, people mean Nikolay Pavlovich, who was a very close friend of the family, Olga and Tatiana were very fond of him (see their diary) and Sabline was especially an help for Alexandra Feodorovna. In Livadia, on the yacht, on journey he spent a lot of time entertaining the ill empress.

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Re: Olga and Anastasia
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2010, 10:49:03 AM »
As promised : bigger version of the 1910  picnic.  Thses photos are printed rather small , let me know if they are big enough.
 nena, I believe that gentleman standing on the right  is the general who sometime fools me into thinking  he's Dr. Botkin
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Dear blessOTMA, thank you for this bigger version;).

Now I can see it clearly. From left to right (only officers, according to to their 1910's ranks):

Upper row. Lieutenant Kozhevnikov, Senior Lieutenant N. V. Sablin, ? (unknown man) , Guard's Captain Drenteln (*Infantry and HIM Suite Officer, often confused with Dr Botkin),
Middle row. Lieutenant Butakov, Midshipman Messing, N-II, Lieutenant Stolitsa (not 100%) (do not confuse with Rodionov, both have a big smile).
Lower row. Flag Captain of N-II/Vice Admiral Nilov, Naval Engineer/Captain Nevyarovsky, Senior Lieutenant N. P. Sablin.

About Sablin... Indeed, they were absolutely different people. Even not a distant relatives. Matushka is right here, Nicholay Pavlovich indeed even had some other relative Naval Officers with the surname Sablin (father and brother), but all of them were not connected to the Naval Guard Crew. In Imperial Russian military/Naval tradition there was a good law to add numbers to the officers with the same surname in order to simplify the situation (regardless their affinity). For example: Sablin 1 (N. P. Sablin's brother), Sablin 2 (N. P. itself) and Sablin 3 (another man, N. V. Sablin). Or, Butakov 5 (our dear Alexander Ivanovich Butakov) and Butakov 4 (his brother, Baltic fleet naval officer Ivan Ivanovich Butakov).

Olga and Tatiana were very fond of him (see their diary) and Sabline was especially an help for Alexandra Feodorovna. In Livadia, on the yacht, on journey he spent a lot of time entertaining the ill empress.

Matushka, it seems to me that judging by the appearance of Mr N. P. Sablin and fact that he was free (not married) even till 1917, a lot of women form higher class nobility were very fond of him and not only Tatiana and Olga;).
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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2010, 04:09:24 PM »
Nicola, how do you know all of this stuff?
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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2010, 11:29:44 PM »
A big thank you, Nicola, for this bright identification of all the officers. I am especially glad you correct me about Rodionov/Stolitsa, an occasion to put a face on this name!

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Re: Olga and Anastasia
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2010, 09:56:19 AM »
A big thank you, Nicola, for this bright identification of all the officers. I am especially glad you correct me about Rodionov/Stolitsa, an occasion to put a face on this name!

Matushka, you are welcome. To be honest with you I've been also thinking that this is Rodionov;). They are surprisingly similar to each other. But then I looked at this picture already posted here. No comments...



Nicola, how do you know all of this stuff?

Marty,

Endless amount of different Imperial Russian navy/military/citizens lists (thanks to bureaucratic Imperial regime) help a lot here. Plus personal archive with a lot of different information (emigre information, Russian principalities information, nobility information, photos, etc.). And little practise.

Sorry for off-topic. We are already far away from Olga and Anastasia now;).

« Last Edit: September 23, 2010, 09:57:59 AM by Nicolá De Valerón »
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Re: Olga and Anastasia
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2010, 11:36:02 PM »

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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2011, 04:49:33 AM »
Olga and  Anastasia dancing on the board of the Standart, courtesy of the Russian archives:

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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2011, 08:12:08 AM »
New to me. Is this Pavel Voronov with whom Olga is dancing?
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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2011, 08:46:37 AM »
The officer dancing with Olga does indeed look like Pavel Voronov and not to forget he used to invite her to dance quite often so I'm thinking it is him, unfortunately the picture is so small so we can’t be 100% sure, plus the Russian archive doesn’t mention the name of those two officers dancing with Olga and Anastasia.
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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2011, 09:37:31 AM »
It's on board the Polar Star. Not sure if the Standart's officers would have taken part...
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2011, 04:23:43 PM »
It's on board the Polar Star. Not sure if the Standart's officers would have taken part...

But Sarah, why you are not sure?

I don't see any problem here of Voronov being invited for example on Polar Star on one of these endless IF celebrations with an Officers. All the Guard Crew ships (like Standart, Polar Star, Tsasrevna, Oleg. etc.) were as a one big Guard family consisted from higher (upper class) nobility, far away from the simple Navy and all of the crew members (all their service promotions) were totally agreed with the IF. These men were at least familiar with If, or as Voronov - close familiar.  Of course N-II or AF could have easily personally invited Voronov on this unofficial meeting.

Btw, interesting also that on endless amount of IF resting photos with mainly Standart Officers (on the Finnish shore for example) we can see a whole bouquet of Officers from different Guard Crew ships. Not only from Standart...
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Re: Olga and Anastasia
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2011, 07:49:54 PM »
looks like Pavel Voronov to me. He had quite a wedge shaped face, which his beard accented. Hopefully we'll see a larger print some day

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