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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 07:25:22 PM »
....."When Alexandra Feodorovna and her daughters went into exile in Siberia, they took their badges and stars with them.  They were recovered in 1933."
Interesting. I know a stash of Romanov jewels were discovered in Siberia in  '33....AF had originally had them smuggled out and hidden in a convent while  the family was in Tobolsk...it seems the  jewels that could not be sewn into their clothes went  into this stash.( such as tiaras ) Sending thier badges and stars into hiding  must of been quite an awful  moment for Alexandra and the girls....one of many

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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 07:35:51 PM »
Referencing Replies #s 25 and 28:  The "belt-like thing" (partially showing) is the sash, or "ribband" of a Grand Cross grade of an imperial order, being worn over the shoulder, and the badge or "jewel" of the order being worn at the gathered ends of the sash, on the opposite hip.  IMO, it's undoubtedly the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Catherine, which was bestowed at the christening of every Grand Duchess, or a Grand Duchess who married into the Imperial Family. According to Nick Nicholson in an article (on the history of this order) on the APTM site, "When Alexandra Feodorovna and her daughters went into exile in Siberia, they took their badges and stars with them.  They were recovered in 1933."       AP

Yes, I can only agree with our dear strict forum "policeman" AP;), this is the Order of St. Catherine. Women highest possible decoration in the Russian Empire, only for GD and great ladies. Order consist of two degrees. It might be funny, but as I can see our Tatiana on the photo has not the highest degree;).
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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 09:17:07 PM »
Thank you, "Nicola" for your humor!  Regarding the degree of this order as discussed:  Could it be that the angle/positioning of the subject of the photograph and the voluminous "sleeves" of the fabric are obscuring the star of the order, since they are already interrupting the depiction of the continuation of the sash as well?  Just a reflective thought!  With best regards,   AP.
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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2010, 07:52:17 AM »


You are very welcome, our dear "AP"! If seriously to the Order degree itself, then on the photo posted by Katenka, Tatiana only by her royal status should have exclusively 1st degree, and now I see it clearly. Only the 1st degree Order was placed on tape on the left side of the body over the right shoulder. And finally, 1st degree was significantly bigger (two times bigger then 2nd degree), something about 4 inches and this huge Order looks funny on Tatiana. I had some doubts about materials, but now it's clearly for me. Oh yes, and we cannot see the big star, because it was placed on the chest. "Thanks" to the qualified photographer, that he took this Tatiana's photo without such important thing like a big star;).

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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2010, 03:00:24 PM »
Oh yes, and we cannot see the big star, because it was placed on the chest. "Thanks" to the qualified photographer, that he took this Tatiana's photo without such important thing like a big star;).

Tatiana from the front:


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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 07:25:41 PM »
Strangest thing for me is, that she looks so different in every picture...sometimes a beauty, sometimes I find her not that pretty. But one surely had to see her in natural, see her moves, hear her voice and her expressions while talking...I think, thats what makes her the beauty for so many people.

You're right. I find it interesting how she looks so obviously different from her sisters. Whatever the situation, she is very captivating!

Another pic...

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There is a little carriage abandoned in the copse...
There is a troupe of little actors in costume...
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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 01:14:31 AM »
That can be found in Beinecke Abum 6; here.
That pic was taken in Finland, right?

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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2010, 01:35:53 AM »
Please be more patient. I think that the English language is not wox24's native language.

That is absolutely right. Wox24 is a native Slovak. There are over 7000 members on the forum and I bet at least half of them are not native English speakers. Please, do not jump on everything they wrte, because it may be only ill-chosen expression.

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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2010, 07:50:00 AM »
That can be found in Beinecke Abum 6; here.
That pic was taken in Finland, right?

It resembles some other photos taken in Finland by some sort of forest/trees, so my guess is Finland.
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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2010, 03:38:36 AM »
Ah didn't think of that.

The word "zvláštny" have a lot of translates, I do not know what would be better, I wrote "strange". But as I see, "strange" was not too right. ;)

I know "almond shaped" but I wanted to say somenthing other. ;)


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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2010, 10:50:24 AM »
The complete picture of Tatiana:



Tatiana circa 1913:

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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2010, 11:35:42 AM »
The complete picture of Tatiana:



Tatiana circa 1913:



A little comment about the last photo: although i labelled as Tatiana, I'm not 100% sure the girl is her.

I love this two photographs of her from circa 1914 (Nicholas II digitalized albums): =)






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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2010, 06:37:34 PM »
otmaprivatealbums, beautiful photos!

I'm terribly sorry for off-topic, but as otmaprivatealbums already posted two photos from the Presidential library, I have a question for all who are really know something in this case: how can I copy photos from that source? How you are commonly doing it? As I know you can use Silverlight only for watching and there is no option in this software to copy photos.

I'll be grateful for any answer.
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Re: Tatiana Photographs III
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 08:01:21 PM »
I'm terribly sorry for off-topic, but as otmaprivatealbums already posted two photos from the Presidential library, I have a question for all who are really know something in this case: how can I copy photos from that source? How you are commonly doing it? As I know you can use Silverlight only for watching and there is no option in this software to copy photos.

I'll be grateful for any answer.

The only way I know is by making a screenshot. (Or the "Grab" utility on a Mac.) The bigger the screen, the bigger the captured photo will be.
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