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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2007, 01:20:12 PM »
Photo of archive TSGAKFFD (ЦГАКФФД), the code And 10352. Employees of restaurant of station. I so understand a photo is made inside of station.

http://pushkin-history.info/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=26&func=detail&id=401
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2007, 10:13:08 PM »
Hello Joanna,

Since there are so many photographs taken in different platforms of different stations im posting a photo id swear was taken in the platform of the Imperial private train pavillion:



btw speaking about this photo, I don't think this is Imeprial pavilion. I think Photo would be Vitebskiy Train station. Please take a look on far wall:

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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2007, 02:20:11 AM »

If you have in view of Vitebsk station in Peter most likely it is necessary to look a photo of Imperial pavilion - cash departments of distant following (if they there still are).
Если вы имеете ввиду Витебский вокзал в Питере, то скорее всего надо смотреть фотографию Императорского павильона - кассы дальнего следования (если они там ещё есть).

Here the card of pavilion is
Здесь открытка павильона есть

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_f_06_A.htm
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Centr/Prevokz_pl/Istor/lo000000239_1_m.jpg

It is little bit its window others however
Окна его немного другие однако

Here a card of Imperial pavilion in Tsarskoe Selo
Здесь открытка Императорского павильона в Царском Селе

http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ferm_p/Imper_vetka/Istor/P1010064.jpg
http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Ferm_p/Ferm_p_f_06_C.htm

Here it is visible windows is better
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ferm_p/Imper_vetka/Istor/001/untitled-0775.jpg

Truly, whether all visitors accepted in Imperial pavilion of Tsarskoe Selo? In полне it is possible that it is city station of Tsarskoe Selo?
Верно то, всех ли гостей принимали в Императорском павильоне Царского Села? В полне возможно что это городской вокзал Царского Села ?

Here the photo which shows that it more likely city station, перон which younger brother Vitebsk.
Здесь фото которое показывает что это скорее городской вокзал, перон которого младший брат Витебского.

http://geglov2.narod.ru/Foto/Sentr/Privok_pl_001.htm
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Imperat/Nikol_II/010/P1010543.jpg
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Imperat/Nikol_II/010/P1010544.jpg
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2007, 03:02:37 PM »
Actually it remains as unknown:
This is drawing of Imperial pavilion, as you would see the rail track cover showing solid brick windows:


this would be Tsarskoye Selo Train Station, I am puzzled if this is train station to Tsarskoye Selo


Because Train Station in Tsarskoye Selo would look like that:


and here Vitebskiy Train Station from opposite section of covered tracks



 so I think picture number 2 would be opposite side view to the last one
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2007, 02:02:51 AM »
Ok puzzle solved!
It was 2 Imperial pavilions one located in St. Petersburg bound to Tsarskoye Selo, other one in Tsarskoye Selo bound to St. Petersburg.

look here old picture of Imperial Pavilion in St. Petersburg bound to Tsarskoye Selo:


here the new picture, now days:



here the old picture from opposite direction Tsarskoye Selo, bound to St. Petersburg:


and new picture the same train station:



so in conclusion, that picture would show Vitebsky Train Station bound to Tsarskoye Selo, because in Imperial Pavilion St Petersburg location, both side of the track was covered by the glass window!



any thought about this theory?
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2007, 03:38:17 AM »
btw I forgot to give credits to the Peter's Sobolev "Wandering Camera" site, where I picked up new view of Imperial buildings, remarkable pictures, highly recommended to see:
1st page outside of the train station (after renovation)
http://bcam.spb.ru/266/index_e.html

2nd page inside the building of the train station (after renovation)
http://bcam.spb.ru/267/index_e.htmll

few pictures before renovation:
http://www.enlight.ru/camera/19/index_e.html


Btw index for hist picture could be found here:
http://bcam.spb.ru/index2_e.htm
and here:
http://bcam.spb.ru/index_e.htm

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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2007, 11:53:25 AM »
Here it is visible windows is better
http://geglov2.narod.ru/jpg/Ferm_p/Imper_vetka/Istor/001/untitled-0775.jpg

Pay attention to windows (frequency of a lattice), glass on the other hand is not present. Then leaves as other photos are made in pavilion.
Обратите внимание на окна (частота решётки), стекла с другой стороны нет. Тогда выходит что и другие фотографии сделаны в павильоне.
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2007, 03:42:45 PM »
Nicholay, you were right about it! Close up picture showing pattern of the window framing matching both pictures.
I took a liberty to move picture to my hosting otherwise folks outside of Russia would have to wait 5 min to get it, so we can see and compare both examples:

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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2007, 11:26:22 AM »
Vladm,

Thanks for all those posts and your interests in the station...

Don't you think ,it is peculiar that nothing could be done in russian and international press or in  the net on the restoration of the building?

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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2007, 04:09:14 PM »
Vassili,
Restoring train station without tracks, I think pointless (today at least), one of the Russian groups was running with the project to rebuild "Tsarskaya Vetka" with restoration of the Imperial Pavilion in TS, in order to provide service for travelers from Vitebskiy station all the way to TS nonstop (but problem remains the same, who will provide money).
Aldo, I've heard recently, Fedorovskiy gorodok, was given for free to Russian Orthodox church, because it was difficult to restore by using government grants, so access on its territory will be restricted.
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2007, 05:27:38 PM »
Vladm,

I beg your pardon but I'm far to be enough accurate in english to grasp all the meanings of what you say...
Vassili,
Restoring train station without tracks, I think pointless (today at least), one of the Russian groups was running with the project to rebuild "Tsarskaya Vetka" with restoration of the Imperial Pavilion in TS, in order to provide service for travelers from Vitebskiy station all the way to TS nonstop (but problem remains the same, who will provide money).
Aldo, I've heard recently, Fedorovskiy gorodok, was given for free to Russian Orthodox church, because it was difficult to restore by using government grants, so access on its territory will be restricted.
Restoring train station without tracks,
What does this mean?No fund on historic documents ...?
As far as I understand this is still a project(Vladimir telle me that the restoration had been voted...I do not understand at all..)
Please could you tell me what is Fedorovski gorodok?The field that surrounds the station?


Thanks for your patience,
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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2007, 05:40:03 PM »

This is the station in Tsarskoye S.,but is this the interiors of the same one?





This was presented as the remains of an old train station;which one is it?

What is the actual purpose of this old station in Petersburg given the fact it could not be used any more as  the pavilion bound to Tsarskoye where no train go through any more?I hope I'm clear...



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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2007, 06:14:46 PM »
Vladm,

I beg your pardon but I'm far to be enough accurate in english to grasp all the meanings of what you say...
Vassili,
Restoring train station without tracks, I think pointless (today at least), one of the Russian groups was running with the project to rebuild "Tsarskaya Vetka" with restoration of the Imperial Pavilion in TS, in order to provide service for travelers from Vitebskiy station all the way to TS nonstop (but problem remains the same, who will provide money).
Aldo, I've heard recently, Fedorovskiy gorodok, was given for free to Russian Orthodox church, because it was difficult to restore by using government grants, so access on its territory will be restricted.
Restoring train station without tracks,
What does this mean?No fund on historic documents ...?
As far as I understand this is still a project(Vladimir telle me that the restoration had been voted...I do not understand at all..)
Please could you tell me what is Fedorovski gorodok?The field that surrounds the station?


Thanks for your patience,
Vassili


Vassili, I am terribly sorry about my syntax and phrase construction, unfortunately my Russian is not much different.

Nicholas II build several structures in TS, with the same architectural motif: Feodorvskiy Gorodok, and Imperial Pavilion at Tsarskoye Selo bound to St. Petersburg.

Now train station (Imperial Pavilion), as we know not restored after WWII, furthermore railroad to train station was removed completely, and on the place where rail road was, city of Pushkin build new apartment complexes. However, not far away, located rail road tracks, but from other train station Baltiskiy.

Describing about "Russian group - running", I was trying to be sarcastic, without money, they have no chance.
No one votes in Russia for anything, as you know probably, national treasures has been destroyed, including 300 meter (almost 1000 ft) rising building in the center of St. Petersburg, will destroy scenery of the St. Petersburg, build by Peter the Great.

Now about Feodorovkiy Gorodok, its a structure right in front of the Feodorovkiy Cathedral, here the small example for you:

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Re: The train station at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2007, 07:25:23 PM »
Actually I found better pictures on this site, showing Feodorovsky Gorodok:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,275.30.html
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