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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2006, 10:30:48 AM »
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Here is a picture that was identified as Nagorny:



Please correct me if I am wrong (I believe he is the gentleman on the left) -- thanks!

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2006, 08:19:45 PM »

  I'm surprised more isn't known about Nagorny.  As Alexei's nanny at times he was extremely important to the IF. The Family intimates who published memoirs after the Revolution might understandibly not have said much about him, but I would think subsequent researchers might have discovered more.

  In any case I  think I know enough to greatly respect and admire him. He came to Tatiana's aid at Ekaterinburg and there is considerable reason to credit the story of standing up for Alexei against would-be Bolshevik thieves. At at ime when he moved among such hostile men, this alone showed great courage. To be a sailor loyal to the IF then was obviously a provocation to Red extremists.

  Above all he remained faithful to the end. He chose exile and the associated danger of it freely. Not that many did. I know I'm putting the case strongly, but I believe he was a hero. May God bless Nagorny. And we should remember him.

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BTW, In the last diary of Alexandra (lucky enough to find thanks to Half Priced Books)
It said his patronym was Gregorovitch. I'm pretty sure.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2007, 04:09:54 AM »
I cant seem to find the servant forums but I would love to see pics of Nargony.  That would make my day  :)
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2007, 08:35:57 AM »
The man on the left of this photo is Nagorny:



I believe this may be him as well:



I'm pretty sure I have other photos of Nagorny. I'll post them as I find them...
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2007, 04:40:28 AM »
Thanks for these.  I am love the two pics. Cant wait to see others :-)
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2007, 12:17:11 PM »
The tall fellow could be Nagorny:

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2007, 02:11:43 PM »
Did alexei ever grow out of Nargony?
i don't remember, did he go with them into the basement?
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2007, 06:19:20 AM »
I dont think Alexei grew out of Nargony.  I think Nargony was a brother figure for him.   Nargony was very protective of Alexei even if I think I can recall when they were in exile some greedy guard went to take Alexei's religious icons cause it had gold inlays or something like that and Nargony told the guard off.  I think the guard backed away from the Alexei after that.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2007, 09:27:40 AM »
wow thanks for  that piece of information!
haha stupid gaurd! :)

yes i think so too, that nargony was like a big brother for him! i mean he had 4 older sisters!!!
being the only boy in the family i'm sure you might have wanted a bro to hang out with!!!

Sarushka can you help me with this?
i saw this picture of ALexei getting a hair cut with his governess and some man, would that man be Nargony or
the other  man?
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2007, 10:20:24 AM »
Nargony was very protective of Alexei even if I think I can recall when they were in exile some greedy guard went to take Alexei's religious icons cause it had gold inlays or something like that and Nargony told the guard off.  I think the guard backed away from the Alexei after that.

That story about the guard might be a myth. Here's a post I wrote about it on anther thread:

According to one source, that story was a rumor perpetuated by Prince George Lvov. Lvov claimed that he and Nagorny were imprisoned in Ekaterinburg together, and that Nagorny himself told the story of protesting the theft of a gold cross belonging to Aleksei. However, Lvov is apparently not a credible witness. He informed President Wilson in a letter that he had been imprisoned in Ekaterinburg at the end of February 1918, then escaped after five weeks and fled across Siberia, arriving in Vladivostock in July. That makes it *impossible* for Lvov to have been in the Ekaterinburg City Prison on May 27 -- the *only* night Nagorny spent there. Nagorny and Ivan Sednev were then shot on May 31, eliminating any further possiblity of communicating with Lvov.

Lvov told a number of wildly false tales about the Romanovs' captivity, often contradicting himself in the process.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2007, 10:24:07 AM »
Sarushka can you help me with this?
i saw this picture of ALexei getting a hair cut with his governess and some man, would that man be Nargony or
the other  man?

I know the photo you mean, but I can't find it. I think the man was Derevenko, but I'm not certain.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2007, 12:20:07 PM »
Do you guys mean this photo?

If you do, then Sarushka is right. It's Derevenko.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2007, 03:05:35 PM »
That's definitely the one I was thinking of.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2007, 03:15:41 PM »
yup thats the one!
thanks laura for the picture!

ok thanks for clearing that up :)
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2007, 10:03:07 PM »
I did actually just read it was a myth oops.   As I said before Alexei would of seen him as a brother figure and I think Nargony treated him like a younger brother.  I think Nargony was about 7 or 6 years older then Olga. I am not sure but that was what I was thinking when I read he was only 29 when he was executed.
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