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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2004, 12:36:21 AM »
I believe that Nagorny and Derevenko worked in rotation as part of Alexei's suite. So, it is likely that one or both accompanied him to the Stavka.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2004, 11:46:32 PM »
Thank you that was something I never was able to find in all my books.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2005, 07:51:32 PM »
I always really liked Nagorny,he seemed like a very kind man and he really liked Alexei.I wish he hadn't been shot.:(

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »
Hi, I was just wondering if anybody had any info on Nagorny.
I can't find any basic information anywhere.

And yes, I have checked the other threads.  ;D :) ;)

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2006, 12:07:15 AM »
According to one source Klementy Nagorny was born in 1889 and died in 1918, age 29. He was a former sailor on the Standart and was one of two sailor nannies (along with Derevenko) to the Tsesarevitch. He was murdered by the Bolsheviks prior to the murder of the Imperial Family. I believe his remains were found by the Whites.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2006, 01:26:09 PM »
Sad, very sad.  :'( :'(
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2006, 05:27:26 PM »
Wasn't he removed from the Ipatiev House and shot after trying to stop the guards pilfering the Imperial Family's belongings?

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2006, 06:54:23 PM »
According to one source, that story was a rumor perpetuated by Prince George Lvov. Lvov claimed that he and Nagorny were imprisoned in Ekaterinburg together, and that Nagorny himself told the story of protesting the theft of a gold cross belonging to Aleksei. However, Lvov is apparently not a credible witness. He informed President Wilson in a letter that he had been imprisoned in Ekaterinburg at the end of February 1918, then escaped after five weeks and fled across Siberia, arriving in Vladivostock in July. That makes it *impossible* for Lvov to have been in the Ekaterinburg City Prison on May 27 -- the *only* night Nagorny spent there. Nagorny and Ivan Sednev were then shot on May 31, eliminating any further possiblity of communicating with Lvov.

Lvov told a number of wildly false tales about the Romanovs' captivity, often contradicting himself in the process --

That source's theory is that Nagorny and Sednev were removed from the Ipatiev house simply because they were young able-bodied men that "represented a threat to the power of the Special Detatchment." With Sednev and Nagorny gone, they had only the women, 4 middle-aged men, and two young boys to guard.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2006, 06:18:56 AM »
Thanks for the info!

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2006, 10:34:43 AM »
Yes, thanks for the info everybody.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2006, 12:00:32 AM »
Yes, thanks for the info everybody.
I'm surprised, but a published source definitely has the most information about him
I've seen.

Similar information about Nargorny was published in a number of older Russian publications, one of which is Tsetsarevich in 1998.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2006, 08:55:17 AM »
I wouldn't discount Lvov's story because of a theory. It could have happened. We may never know the entire truth. But I do think it's very possible Nagorny would have tried to defend Alexei against any attack, he had been doing nothing but guarding him for many years.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2006, 11:37:27 AM »
I wouldn't discount Lvov's story because of a theory. It could have happened.  We may never know the entire truth. But I do think it's very possible Nagorny would have tried to defend Alexei against any attack, he had been doing nothing but guarding him for many years.
Annie's point is valid, but let me clarify: I'm not discounting the story because of a theory, I'm discounting it because Lvov's own timetable for his whereabouts at the time of Nagorny's arrest make the story impossible. What I quoted was only a small portion of the discussion of Lvov's credability,   I don't agree with everything in that source, but I choose to believe the information (as well as the theories) on Lvov -- it's just more plausible to my mind than the theft. At any rate, if the story about the theft were true, it doesn't account for Sednev's simultaneous arrest. I'll double-check Alexandra's diary for clues when I get home tonight; it seems to me Sednev & Nagorny's removal is something worthy of mention - with or without theft being involved -  and I'd take her word over Lvov's any day.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2006, 10:49:43 PM »
From Alexandra's diary, 14/27 May 1918:

"At 6:30 Sednyov & Nagorny were taken off to the District Committee. don't [sic] know the reason."
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2006, 05:44:34 PM »

  I'm surprised more isn't known about Nagorny.  As Alexei's nanny at times he was extremely important to the IF. The Family intimates who published memoirs after the Revolution might understandibly not have said much about him, but I would think subsequent researchers might have discovered more.

  In any case I  think I know enough to greatly respect and admire him. He came to Tatiana's aid at Ekaterinburg and there is considerable reason to credit the story of standing up for Alexei against would-be Bolshevik thieves. At at ime when he moved among such hostile men, this alone showed great courage. To be a sailor loyal to the IF then was obviously a provocation to Red extremists.

  Above all he remained faithful to the end. He chose exile and the associated danger of it freely. Not that many did. I know I'm putting the case strongly, but I believe he was a hero. May God bless Nagorny. And we should remember him.
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