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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2010, 02:47:15 PM »
By all standards Nagorny was a courageous and loyal young man, both to the Imperial Family and to his country. He knew what he risked by his loyalty and was willing to take that risk anyway. He certainly showed more courage than many more famous, high ranking figures better positioned to help the family.
Realistically, a monument is unlikely now. The occasion of the Romanov reburial at the Peter and Paul Cathedral in July, 1998 might have been a spur to a Nagorny memorial but that opportunity was missed. Still,the present day Romanov family organization could do a lot worse than create a small tribute to a man  so dedicated to their ancestors.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2012, 03:31:00 PM »
Was his body ever recovered?

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« Reply #122 on: June 25, 2012, 02:24:19 PM »
I don't think so. I'm not sure if anyone necessarily tried to recover Nagorny's body. He was not exactly 'formally' executed, but was taken aside and simply murdered by the Bolsheviks, as per their usual practice. Later, when White forces recaptured Ekaterinburg in late July, 1918, their focus was on finding what happened to the Imperial Family. It's a shame more couldn't be done, or wasn't done, to account for Nagorny's death, and properly honor him, even in post-Soviet Russia, when Romanov and imperial Russian nostalgia was in the ascendant.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #123 on: June 26, 2012, 07:33:58 PM »
I'll never forget Gillard's description of when Nagorny was taken away from the family.  Gillard and other retainers happened to be on the street and witnessed  Nagorny being put into a carriage. Nagorny saw them and looked his good bye to  this group, but he never indicated her knew them ...and so saved  them from the unwanted attention of the Bolsheviks. This was a great man.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #124 on: June 27, 2012, 05:16:34 PM »
How sad =/

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #125 on: June 27, 2012, 05:42:52 PM »
This was a great man.

You are correct and it's no understaement.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #126 on: June 28, 2012, 09:14:40 PM »
Nagorny's body - and that of Sednev the footman - were recovered by the occupying White Army.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #127 on: June 29, 2012, 12:56:48 PM »
Nagorny's body - and that of Sednev the footman - were recovered by the occupying White Army.

Lisa, could you elaborate on this? Like where this is stated (the source?). Was there a proper burial, etc? Any more details? Thanks.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #128 on: December 08, 2012, 12:36:58 AM »
I also read that the bodies of Nagorny and Sednev were found by tbe Whites and buried in a church cemetary.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #129 on: December 08, 2012, 07:02:50 AM »
I also read that the bodies of Nagorny and Sednev were found by tbe Whites and buried in a church cemetary.

    Source/documentation, please?        Regards,   AP.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #130 on: December 08, 2012, 04:16:02 PM »
Correct information about Leonid Sednev and his uncle sailor Ivan Sednev.

 Sednev Leonid Ivanovich, (near 1909 - 1942). Kitchen boy, a nephew of Ivan Dmitrievich Sednev. Followed with the Imperial family to Tobolsk and Yekaterinburg. Taken away before their execution in the house of Ipatiev. Was sent to Yaroslavl Province. Killed by the NKVD during the war.

*Info taken from Popov's archive.

 Sednev Ivan Dimitrievich, (1886 - 1918). A peasant from Yaroslavl Province. Sailor from the imperial yacht Standart. Footman of the grand duchesses. Followed with the Imperial family to Tobolsk, then arrived with them in Yekaterinburg, where in 27 of May 1918, was arrested and sent to the prison along with K. Nagorny. They both were shot at the end of the May, 1918 or in the beginning of the June, 1918. After the Siberian White Army took the Yekaterinburg their bodies were buried in the cemetery of Ivanovo, Yaroslavl Province

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #131 on: December 08, 2012, 05:56:09 PM »
Correct information about Leonid Sednev and his uncle sailor Ivan Sednev.

 Sednev Leonid Ivanovich, (near 1909 - 1942). Kitchen boy, a nephew of Ivan Dmitrievich Sednev. Followed with the Imperial family to Tobolsk and Yekaterinburg. Taken away before their execution in the house of Ipatiev. Was sent to Yaroslavl Province. Killed by the NKVD during the war.

*Info taken from Popov's archive.

 Sednev Ivan Dimitrievich, (1886 - 1918). A peasant from Yaroslavl Province. Sailor from the imperial yacht Standart. Footman of the grand duchesses. Followed with the Imperial family to Tobolsk, then arrived with them in Yekaterinburg, where in 27 of May 1918, was arrested and sent to the prison along with K. Nagorny. They both were shot at the end of the May, 1918 or in the beginning of the June, 1918. After the Siberian White Army took the Yekaterinburg their bodies were buried in the cemetery of Ivanovo, Yaroslavl Province


     Thank you for your reply and source of information.  The next time I am in/near Ivanovo Oblast, I'll see if I can get reference/direction in Ivanovo to these graves (if they are marked or still exist).  Happy Holidays,   AP.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #132 on: December 08, 2012, 07:27:49 PM »
I've been trying to figure out how the bodies  of the elder Sedlev and Nagorny got from Sverdlov oblast to Yaroslav oblast in 1919. Perhaps Leonid Sedlev accompanied the bodies since he was sent back to Yaroslav. Evidently Leonid survived until 1942. Perhaps Nagorny's family whereabouts were unknown, and they just sent both bodies to Yaroslav oblast. Maybe Nagorny was from Yaroslav oblast also.

Lots of perhaps....but it makes some sense. A young boy might have been able to make such a journey more safely than an adult.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #133 on: December 08, 2012, 08:04:48 PM »
I've been trying to figure out how the bodies  of the elder Sedlev and Nagorny got from Sverdlov oblast to Yaroslav oblast in 1919..


        If indeed they ARE there.  I have never seen a picture/photo representing their alleged final graves.  Many questions. Potentially unmarked graves?  But then how would one be certain of their presence?  Which cemetery in Ivanovo (present-day oblast or city)? Extant or destroyed burial records?  Etc., etc.

        Ivanovo is not very far from one of my favorite visiting places, Yaroslavl.  Geographic/administrative boundaries have shifted over the intervening years, but I hope to go over from Yaroslavl to Ivanovo, if I have the time/opportunity upon my next visit and perhaps check with a local historical society.

                                                   Regards,  AP.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #134 on: December 09, 2012, 05:55:03 AM »
I would imagine that Nagorny and the other members of the household who were shot separately from the Imperial Family were buried in unmarked graves. But it would be nice to know that Nagorny and Ivan Sednev had proper burials, if that story is true.

If there any possibility that the AP Forum could get together and organise a memorial plaque for them all at the Alexander Palace?

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