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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #150 on: March 14, 2013, 10:30:00 PM »
...spoiled by the prisoners turning them in asap.

Or it worked perfectly -- by removing the two most able-bodied men from the retinue.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #151 on: July 29, 2013, 09:11:15 AM »
In The Fall of the Romanovs he is noted as Klim in the index. Who referred to him by this nickname?
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« Reply #152 on: July 29, 2013, 05:36:02 PM »
In The Fall of the Romanovs he is noted as Klim in the index. Who referred to him by this nickname?

I think primarily OTMAA who  were more informal than their parents and would have had a lot of contact with him,especially Alexei, of course.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #153 on: July 29, 2013, 08:28:01 PM »
The children and Alix seemed to like to use  nicknames for those around them

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #154 on: July 29, 2013, 10:03:39 PM »
Alexandra was also fond of abbreviations in her letters and diaries. She may have referred to him this way in her private writings, but I don't know that she ever addressed him directly as Klim.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #155 on: August 14, 2013, 01:08:10 PM »

  I'm surprised more isn't known about Nagorny.  As Alexei's nanny at times he was extremely important to the IF. The Family intimates who published memoirs after the Revolution might understandibly not have said much about him, but I would think subsequent researchers might have discovered more.

  In any case I  think I know enough to greatly respect and admire him. He came to Tatiana's aid at Ekaterinburg and there is considerable reason to credit the story of standing up for Alexei against would-be Bolshevik thieves. At at ime when he moved among such hostile men, this alone showed great courage. To be a sailor loyal to the IF then was obviously a provocation to Red extremists.

  Above all he remained faithful to the end. He chose exile and the associated danger of it freely. Not that many did. I know I'm putting the case strongly, but I believe he was a hero. May God bless Nagorny. And we should remember him.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #156 on: August 14, 2013, 01:12:42 PM »
In The Fall of the Romanovs he is noted as Klim in the index. Who referred to him by this nickname?

I would like to point out that the name "Clement" in Russian is spelled with an "i" as the initial vowel, not "e" as in English.

Thus, his name was Климент in Russian, so "Klim" is simply the first syllable of his actual name.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #157 on: August 14, 2013, 10:23:15 PM »
Thus, his name was Климент in Russian, so "Klim" is simply the first syllable of his actual name.

So this is more likely an abbreviation than a nickname.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #158 on: August 15, 2013, 09:32:56 AM »
Thus, his name was Климент in Russian, so "Klim" is simply the first syllable of his actual name.

So this is more likely an abbreviation than a nickname.

Yes. But I don't know anyone named Kliment in Russian, so I'm not sure if it's an established diminutive, or not.

Sometimes, when there isn't a generally accepted diminutive, people make one up.

I don't know if "Klim" in Russian could be considered the equivalent of "Clem" for Clement, as in English.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #159 on: August 15, 2013, 06:38:31 PM »

  I'm surprised more isn't known about Nagorny.  As Alexei's nanny at times he was extremely important to the IF. The Family intimates who published memoirs after the Revolution might understandibly not have said much about him, but I would think subsequent researchers might have discovered more.

  In any case I  think I know enough to greatly respect and admire him. He came to Tatiana's aid at Ekaterinburg and there is considerable reason to credit the story of standing up for Alexei against would-be Bolshevik thieves. At at ime when he moved among such hostile men, this alone showed great courage. To be a sailor loyal to the IF then was obviously a provocation to Red extremists.

  Above all he remained faithful to the end. He chose exile and the associated danger of it freely. Not that many did. I know I'm putting the case strongly, but I believe he was a hero. May God bless Nagorny. And we should remember him.

On the Servants as Saints Too
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2968.msg526938#msg526938

 Does  the implication of the servants as saints too apply  to those servants other than the four killed at Ipatiev House ? and thus to Nagorny, Sednev,among many others? I would like to think so, especially for Nagorny. I'm not Orthodox but I see him as a  saintly and a blessed man.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #160 on: August 16, 2013, 05:11:41 AM »
I have recently seen a reference (trying to remember where) to 'the Martyr Vassili Dolgoruky'.

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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #161 on: August 16, 2013, 12:28:44 PM »

 
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Does  the implication of the servants as saints too apply  to those servants other than the four killed at Ipatiev House ? and thus to Nagorny, Sednev,among many others? I would like to think so, especially for Nagorny. I'm not Orthodox but I see him as a  saintly and a blessed man.

Well, yes, of course. They all appear to the right (of the viewer) in the ROCOR icon of the New Martyrs of Russia, right next to the Imperial Family:
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Romanovs%20in%20art/Ikona8.jpg
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #162 on: August 17, 2013, 10:58:34 AM »
PS: I forgot to point out that all the retainers and servants who died with or for the Imperial family are also mentioned by name in the ROCOR's church service to the Royal Martyrs.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #163 on: August 17, 2013, 11:32:06 AM »
PS: I forgot to point out that all the retainers and servants who died with or for the Imperial family are also mentioned by name in the ROCOR's church service to the Royal Martyrs.

I'm glad and it's only fitting. It helps keep their names and memory alive.
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Re: Klementiy Nagorniy
« Reply #164 on: August 17, 2013, 02:14:42 PM »
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I'm glad too. Is it possible to post a larger version of the picture so that we can get a clearer view of all the Martyrs?

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