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Offline Plodygon

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Anastasia or Maria?
« on: April 28, 2010, 04:16:26 AM »
Hi, I'm new here.

I've read on a lot of websites and what not, that after Anastasia's birth Nicholas had to take a walk in the park before he went in to see her. However, on some sites they say it was actually after Maria'a birth that this happened. Can anyone confirm which one of the girls it was?

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(Sorry if this has been posted before. I couldn't find it.)

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 04:43:42 AM »
It was Grand Duchess Maria. The info comes from the book by lady-in-waiting Sophie Buxhoeveden.


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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 01:29:11 AM »
Thanks for that. I wonder why the mix up.

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 04:30:38 PM »
According to the book, Last Days Of the Romanovs, by Helen Rappaport, it was after Anastasia was born that Nicholas took off on a walk around the park.
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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 06:52:06 AM »
According to the book, Last Days Of the Romanovs, by Helen Rappaport, it was after Anastasia was born that Nicholas took off on a walk around the park.

I believe Baroness Buxhoeveden is right. Afer all modern authors do make mistakes, for example Massie wrote Nicholas was second born son of his parents, while in fact he was their first child.

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 08:15:48 AM »
I thought it as Anastasia actually, but as it is clearly noticed -- it happened in 1899, not in 1901.

And I have to do an interrupt -- more I read historical books and posts here, am more getting confused, and all seems to me that it is all matter of believing into different sources. See, West and Russian literature have two completely different images on Imperial Family - but fact is and I truly believe that Russ' have much more information and such.

That is why I find history sometimes unfair and dis-grateful, since it is not 'exact' in the real meaning of this word. Some says that some sources are not valid, even writers of the history of Imperial Russia. Whom to believe?

On regarding this, I wanted to start a new topic about history's relevance on regarding the Imperial Family. I also believe that we don't know in fact much things, and also it is not only 'black and white' on the paper. I speak for Nicholas' family, his surrounding and such. Anyone?
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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 12:05:44 PM »
Maybe Nicky did it both times?


 
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I wanted to start a new topic about history's relevance on regarding the Imperial Family. I also believe that we don't know in fact much things, and also it is not only 'black and white' on the paper. I speak for Nicholas' family, his surrounding and such. Anyone?


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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 02:35:25 PM »
Never heard of that.

Besides - Anastasia was born very early in the morning and Nicholas wrote he and Alix had a comforting solitude. It doesn´t seem likely to me that he would write that. His journal entry is also less enthusiastic with Maria than other children, she is the only baby he didn´t note the measurements and weight of.

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 11:19:14 AM »
I am agreed. Alexandra started having pains at 3.a.m., and Nicholas woke up at 4.a.m. and dressed up. At 6.a.m. Anastasia came to the world.

Maybe Nicky did it both times?

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2010, 02:59:25 PM »
I always read that it was Anastasia, but more evidence points to the fact that it was Maria.
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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2010, 12:29:27 AM »
Massie wrote that he did that after AnastasiaĦs birth...But again: modern authors maybe makes mistakes ...and they readers stats false data believing it's correct one...I've always believed that Nicholas went to take a little walk after Anastasia was born; but now it seems he did after Maria's birth. I tend to believe people who stats it was when Maria came to the world that he took his walk to calm down. The evidence seems to be strong to support this idea.

Authors must read their source paying a little more attention... ::)

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2010, 08:18:09 AM »
I have only read that it was Anastasia that this happened to, but I do not think that the site was very reliable.
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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2010, 03:40:15 PM »
Well, maybe Nicky needed the walk.  The guy had just become a father for the fourth time.  No doubt he had a lot on his mind.
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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2010, 02:50:05 AM »
This is the quote by Sophie buxhoeveden, which clearly states what happened:

Her fourth daughter, the Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaevna, was born at Peterhof on June 18th, 1901. However well the Emperor might hide his feelings, the Empress knew how intensely he longed for a son. He never showed any visible regret when the sex of his successive babies was announced. When the Grand Duchess Marie was born, it was noticed that he set off on a long solitary walk, but that he came back as outwardly unruffled as ever.

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Re: Anastasia or Maria?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2010, 06:12:12 AM »
This is the quote by Sophie buxhoeveden, which clearly states what happened:

Her fourth daughter, the Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaevna, was born at Peterhof on June 18th, 1901. However well the Emperor might hide his feelings, the Empress knew how intensely he longed for a son. He never showed any visible regret when the sex of his successive babies was announced. When the Grand Duchess Marie was born, it was noticed that he set off on a long solitary walk, but that he came back as outwardly unruffled as ever.
Thankyou for that Ally!
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