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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #270 on: August 12, 2014, 05:38:03 AM »
Eric

This is all very vague, and entirely typical of your gossip-mongering approach to history.

In any case, even if Olga did once call Xenia a monster, we need to know the context. Something said as a one-off in a fit of irritation is quite different from something said routinely.

I await the outcome of your 'research', provided it is properly referenced.

Ann

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #271 on: August 12, 2014, 08:25:26 AM »
Ann,

I do not like your tone at all. I do not need to prove anything to you with that kind of attitude.

Think your manners are out of the window.

As Princess Anne once said "Nuff off".

Eric

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #272 on: August 12, 2014, 09:07:28 AM »
Eric, come on. Do you have a source, or don't you? Ally has asked. I have asked. A number of us are very interested to know from where you got this information that Olga Alexandrovna, generally a kind person, would have been so harsh as to call her sister a "monster". Without a source, it's just unfounded gossip.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #273 on: August 12, 2014, 09:37:43 AM »
Mr Lowe (if you prefer)

You portray yourself as a serious student of royal history, and frequently make claims which cannot be cross-checked, based on sources which never emerge into the light of day. When I began my history degree, I distinctly remember one old professor telling us that the role of the historian was to be a seeker out of truth. In my view, that is a serious responsibility.

On that basis, if we are to be seekers after truth, we need to know where information comes from in order to evaluate it.

Ann

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #274 on: August 12, 2014, 11:49:34 PM »
Ann,

I do cross check my references and have conversations with people who published books on the Romanovs and myself been to royal archives in Windsor & family archives of the Hohenzollern in Sigmaringen & Munich (Wittelsbach). I am much more than a royal fan making a remark. I appreciate you wanting to get to the bottom of that and willing to assist in any form. However I just moved from US to Hong Kong and my research is scattered at the moment. You do have a legitimate case to want to know the truth, and I will sent it to you once I get organized my papers. however you cannot demand that I do it in 24 hours or so. Don't think you do that to Marlene Eliers or Corynne Hall. Why do you do that to me ?

Most of the other claims I made were from private letters from researchers that without permission cannot disclose.

Best,

Eric

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #275 on: August 13, 2014, 03:14:13 AM »
Eric

This is all very vague, and entirely typical of your gossip-mongering approach to history.

Eric the gossip monster :-) (Am I going down in Eric's version of la petite histoire as a monster-calling ogre now?)


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In any case, even if Olga did once call Xenia a monster, we need to know the context. Something said as a one-off in a fit of irritation is quite different from something said routinely.

Aye to that. My impression is that nearly every member of any royal family (and indeed any average family too) had and have good reasons to call each other "monsters" at times, because people have a tendency to be selfish. I am sure even Olga Alexandrovna was a "misbehaving little monster" in the eyes of some when she divorced her first husband and quickly remarried a mere subject, in the middle of a disastrous war!
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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #276 on: August 13, 2014, 06:10:36 AM »
Ann,



Most of the other claims I made were from private letters from researchers that without permission cannot disclose.

Best,

Eric

Eric, we all know your manner to flame the fire and run away. Such methods can amuse only beginners. If the source is private correspondence you can freely say "from letters of X to Y, unpublished" and that's all, otherwise your pretending to know everything is VERY annoying.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #277 on: August 13, 2014, 10:10:27 AM »
Indeed. And you can also always say, 'I  can't remember which book I saw this in, but I think it was....'

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #278 on: August 17, 2014, 05:49:00 AM »

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #279 on: August 17, 2014, 08:12:00 PM »
Ally, I can't see this too well. Who else is in the carriage?

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #280 on: August 18, 2014, 05:16:42 AM »
The lady second from the left looks like Marie F but otherwise I don't know.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #281 on: August 18, 2014, 07:55:48 AM »
I thought that was Xenia. lol.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #282 on: August 18, 2014, 09:12:17 AM »
when you enlarge the photo you can see that's Xenia, but the rest? This lady in front of GD Xenia looks like GD Olga A. IMO

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #283 on: August 21, 2014, 08:11:24 AM »
The quote on Olga came from an unpublished letter from one of her cousins.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, PART II
« Reply #284 on: August 21, 2014, 08:19:38 AM »
Which cousin? What date?

Ann