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Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« on: October 31, 2004, 10:19:31 AM »
 Another member of the site and I were talking earlier about how people should be more open-minded of the possibilities of what could have happened to the Imperial Family, and so I created this.  I created this thread so that people could post what they think happened and not be laughed at or threatened as I have heard of on one account.  

My friend and I have a theory that we are testing on what could have happened, but I don't have time to post the whole thing.

But, what do you think could have happened, I know the majority of you are going to say that they were all shot and bayoneted in Ekaterinburg, but if anyone else has any other theories please post them.  
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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2004, 10:31:53 AM »
As someone who hoped and grabbed at anything for many years to try to find a way they might have survived, I really can't anymore. I'm really tired of the 'open minded' comment, there reaches a point where it's not a question of 'open minded' but a case of ridiculous, outlandish fantasy and ficticious conspiracy theories. I WANT to believe they got away, but it's not realistic and I'm not playing games in my mind anymore. They died horribly, let them have some peace now.

I have not come to this conclusion easily or without much consideration. I have been a Romanov fan since age 12, and I will be 43 next month. That's more than 30 years I've been on this. I didn't rule out an escape until just a few years ago, so don't think I haven't spent much time and thought on this, I have.
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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2004, 10:39:33 AM »
Annie, please,  we understand your position.  

These are just questions you probably asked yourself years ago before you made up your mind, now,  give us a chance to explore.  Who knows,  we may all end up with the same conclusion.  Meanwhile,  allow us our journey to our own conclusions.



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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2004, 10:40:59 AM »
I thought everyone was being asked what they thought happened, not just those who believed in an escape.

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2004, 10:43:47 AM »
Okay,  we'll share, but Grand Duke Alexei,  you have to tell us your theory, too.

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 11:01:03 AM »
The comment that you made Annie about grabbing straws..what was that supposed to mean?  That left me wandering.  Happy Almost Birthday!  And I too hope and wish that they did survive, but I have not ruled out the possibility yet.  


And AGRBear, I will post my theory as soon as I can find enough time to type it, right now I am rushing back and forth from the computer throughout the house, but I will post it within the hour.
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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 11:03:17 AM »
Sorry, 'grabbing at straws' in as American slang term for trying anything no matter how unlikely.

Thanks for the birthday wishes!

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2004, 11:15:43 AM »
Okay, I got a few minutes.  But, just out of plain respect and common courtesy I ask that after I post my theory that no one insult me or post bad things on this thread, that is just rude and it forced me to delete a former thread of mine that had my theory on it.

I think that the Romanovs were not assasinated.  I think that that first site that Annie posted actually may have the Romanovs.  Published in a United Kingdom newspaper entitled, The Mail, Charles Arnold-Baker wrote on, (if my memory is correct), September 16, 1996.  He stated that the ship the HMS Lord Nelson was sent immediate orders to pick up to Romanov grand duchesses at the Black Sea Ports.  I researched the ship and I cannot find where the ship was around the time of the murders.  The two grand duchesses were than dropped off in Oran, French North Africa.  I believe that the family split up so that they will not be caught together and met with the Dowager Empress in France, because she always thought that her Nicky and grandchildren never died.  I believed that the two grand duchesses picked up where Olga and Tatiana, being the oldest they could of fended for themselves until they met in France.  To explain the bones, I believe that the bones are actually those of other Romanov and Hesse relatives that died around the same age.  For example, I think it was Alexander I or II when his coffin was opened in the 1920's by the Soviet Government, it was found to be empty.  Could his bones could have been substituted for Nicky's?  Examine the pictures on that site and you will see striking resemblences and I seldom found differences in the comparisons.  Alexei's nose is exactly the same as that of Mr. LoPresti's grand uncle.  That is only my theory, I am waiting for my email to be returned from Mr. LoPresti to see of my story fits his theory.  

That is only mine and my friend's theory, but I would like to hear comments on it, through private messages only though as I do not want to be offended on my thread.  

Now, what do you think happened?
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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2004, 03:15:31 PM »
As  a person who thinks the simplest explanation is often the right one, and much as I wish it weren't so for the children, I think they were shot in the cellar.
So long and thanks for all the fish

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2004, 03:29:45 PM »
You can talk this subject six ways to Sunday but what it all comes down to is that NONE OF THEM SURVIVED!!!!
Sorry I know this site is to debate and talk about the IF, but enough already!
And those sites?
A bunch of (profane word here)
Angie

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2004, 03:42:28 PM »
Helen and AGRBear - I don't think that anyone minds others going through a process to figure out what happened to the Imperial Family. I think what is problematic is unreasoned conclusions and unreasonable doubts.

Up until the late 1980's, the only real evidence we had was the Sokolov Report, a few statements by the Bolsheviks, and the fact that the Imperial Family was never seen again after July 16, 1918. I think with this evidence, it was reasonable to conclude that perhaps they disappeared into Russia or that some or all had been murdered by their captors.

Significant scientific work was done during the 1990's. Without question, a male with DNA that exactly matched Grand Duke George Alexandrovich was found in a grave in the Koptyaki Forest along with 4 bodies of people unrelated to the male and four females, all with mtDNA that exactly matches Prince Philip and three of whom were the daughters of the 1st male.

It is reasonable to conclude with this evidence, and the written evidence from Yurovsky et al that the Koptyaki grave, contained the remains of Nicholas, Alexandra, three of their daughters, and the 4 remaining members of their suite.

There are still people who don't know a probability from a possibility. There are those who say the Holocaust didn't happen and that man never landed on the moon. Heck, there are still people who believe the Earth is flat! These are opinions that people hold, but they are not reasonable positions. I think this Forum are ill served by those running their mouths.

Take, for example, the poster's contention that the grave was "salted" with the remains of "Alexander I or II". Neither of these men would have had a genetic relationship with Maria Feodorovna, as Nicholas and Georgei's did and the remains in the grave did. But does this stop the poster from running his mouth? No.

And, Helen, there always are going to be questions that we can never answer about this case, but that is no reason to ignore the significant body of scientific evidence that came out of the last decade. That's simply ignorant, and you don't sound like an ignorant person to me. It's fine to investigate, but let's stay within the bounds of reasonable inquiry.

Perhaps the place to start with what you suggest is to more carefully frame the questions you feel are out there?

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2004, 05:31:10 PM »
Thank you for the clarification.

I found the initial question far too broad.

I have yet to hear any reasonable questions about the IF's fate, but am certainly open to hearing them.

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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2004, 06:24:59 PM »
Thanks for your post, Lisa. You make good points.

The grave 'salted' with the remains of Alexander I and II ??? Now there's one I've never heard before! Not only were they, as you say, not maternally related to Nicholas, I thought Alexander I's grave was empty and he is rumored to have faked his own death to avoid serving as Tsar? ;)

Angie- I understand your frustration!
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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2004, 07:02:36 PM »
Please,  all those who believe all 13 were executed in the basement of the Ipatiev House and do not want to discuss other possibilites,  read carefully:  This is not a thread about proving the executions occured in the night of 16/17  July 1918.   This thead is about what might have happen to the Imperial Family if one or all DID escape.

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PS  Hmmmmm, my error in typing 13 should be 11.
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Re: Theories About the Survial of the Imperial Family ... What if?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2004, 07:48:50 PM »
Can you please explain what you mean by 13?