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Offline dboro

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #210 on: May 23, 2006, 06:55:08 AM »
I think, you don't know these: two portraits of the "old" Empress by Gyula Benczur (you know, he painted that famous "Kniestück" of Elisabeth in black drass and with golden brocade background) and Ede Telcs. The first was made in 1909 for the National Casino in Budapest (and was destroyed during the WWII), the second was made in 1901.


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #211 on: July 03, 2006, 01:01:32 PM »
HELLO,

I am a new entry; i am french, living in Italy... I am interested on Hapsburg  - HABSBURG family's travels, for a project of a professional work...  my english is not good (I apologize) but I understand anything you wrote in english... anyway  I understand only a few german words( for my project a big problem  indeed !!!) ... first topic...  I found on a french illustrated newspaper (on day 20 december 1903) a picture and a text expressing the fact that Archduchess Elisabeth (the daughter of crownprince Rudolph) would have murdered a woman, mistress of her husband Otto von Windischgraetz... (probabely he married her not because he loved her but because Emperor ordered him to do)  I try to attach the picture and the text...

I have a question : about the travels of Ferdinand-Maximilian and Rudolph before their wedding do anyone knows something ???

best regards for all of you in the Forum   :-*

Claire-Colette
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #212 on: July 04, 2006, 02:34:29 PM »
here is the link :
http://perso.orange.fr/centans/pj1903/pj68320121903.htm

here is the text :

Un drame de cour
Vengeance de femme outragée
La famille impériale d' Autriche semble vouée, depuis quelques années, aux événements tragiques. On n' a point oublié le sombre drame encore mystérieux de Meyerling, qui coûta la vie à l' archiduc Rodolphe, héritier de la couronne, ni l' assassinat de l' impératrice. Voici qu' une archiduchesse de vingt ans, ravissante, aimée de tous, petite-fille du malheureux empereur François-Joseph, et fille de l' archiduc Rodolphe, vient de venger par un nouveau meurtre l' outrage fait à sa dignité de femme et d' épouse. La princesse Élisabeth de Habsbourg s' était mariée, il y a deux ans, avec le prince Otto Windiochgraetz, contre le gré de son grand-père, qui finit cependant par céder à ses prières. La situation de son fiancé était inférieure à la sienne ; mais elle l' aimait et rien ne put la décider à un autre choix. Pendant les premiers temps, rien ne troubla son bonheur, mais un jour vint où des soupçons sur la fidélité de son mari s' éveillèrent dans son esprit, et, comme toujours, il se trouva quelqu' un pour lui apprendre la vérité. Avec une violence indignation, la princesse acquit la certitude que son mari la trompait avec une artiste d' un théâtre tchèque, Mlle Ziégler. Aucun détail ne lui fut épargné; elle sut que les rendez-vous avaient lieu dans la villa de Verschovitz, près de Prague. Très surexcitée, elle se présenta à la villa, armée d' un revolver. Ce fut en vain qu' un domestique voulut lui barrer le passage ; l' archiduchesse outragée tira sur lui et le blessa grièvement. Le malheureux tomba en travers de la porte ; elle passa sur son corps. Après quoi, se précipitant sur Mlle Ziégler, elle la tua net à coups de revolver. Le mari infidèle, épouvanté, avait sauté, pendant que ce drame se déroulait, par la fenêtre : ce fut à cela seulement qu' il dut de ne point partager le sort de l' actrice. La cour d' Autriche, par ses ambassadeurs auprès des puissances, s' efforce de cacher la vérité et fait démentir le fait criminel que nous venons de raconter. Tous les journaux tchèques, anglais, allemands ou français maintiennent, malgré les démentis officiels, la triste réalité de ce drame.
Le Petit Journal du 20 Décembre 1903



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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #213 on: July 04, 2006, 02:38:59 PM »
I cannot give a secure traduction...     :(     If someone explains to me HOW TO DO TO insert a picture...      :-[     I can give the picture     :D     ... anyway you can go to the site with the link above....  :-*

C-C
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #214 on: July 04, 2006, 03:11:49 PM »
Chere Claire Colette, je n ai personellement jamais entendue parler de cette anecdote, mais c est tres interessant!

Dear Claire Colette, I have never heard about that story, maybe someone else could tell us some more about it. ;)

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #215 on: July 04, 2006, 04:29:05 PM »
Dear Sissi, (so strange for me)

Thanks for the reply,
yes it is interesting : I was amazed when I found the text: I tried to discover something on the net but I found NOTHING... Only 3 possibilities there are to know the historical reality :

1// find others reports in english, german, italian, czech newspapers of the month of december 1903
2// find some wittnesses in some books, diaries, and so on
3// find legal documents about the death of a Miss Ziegler in Praga, Wien... (but remember the way the court did with the death of Mary Vetsera)

Point 3  for me is actually impossible (until october 2006 I have to work in Italy) but if the forum has a member in Praga, Wien... maybe he or she can help...

Point 2 is possible : the forum has many members with pretty good documentations

Point 1 : next week I will try, in Florence (100 Km from my home) to see all possible newspapers of december 1903 and also I will do in Nice and Paris in France on next october. If  some english member of the forum would try to do the same in Berlin and London... ??!

Is the fact real ??? The newspaper reporting the affair (LE PETIT JOURNAL)  was not exactly "trash", but was something like french MATCH or italian old EPOCA ( with a dayly issue and a weekly illustrated issue). Reporting a false news upon a member of Austrian Monarchy so close to the old monarch  could have been a very damageable affair for the editor, so generally the reported FACTS were absolute TRUTH, but the newspaper offered its with some "sensationnalisme"...

Thinking about the girl, (his strange life as a very rich girl without father, without mother, without grandmothers... , the fact she knew the suicide of her father only when she was 15, the strange way she obtained to marry Otto, the hate she felt for his mother and so many other things, ...) all these things let me think that it COULD BE a real fact !!!

We need to be careful about the names : Mayerling is called Meyerling in the text  and Windisch-Gratz (with the special german "a") is written here Windiochgraetz. Purhaps the names of the unfortunate mistress and of the bohemian Villa are also changed by a french writing...

Anyway we can try to discover the truth... :-/

C-C
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #216 on: July 05, 2006, 05:56:19 AM »
To-day I tried to find something about this murder into the "LADY LAYARD'S JOURNAL", looking on all the pages of november and december 1903,  but i found nothing... :-?

Anyway, I would like to say that UNTIL THE FACT IS NOT DIMOSTRATED, there is no certainty about ELISABETH's shoting and murdering this actress... Maybe it is an error, maybe  :-?some other archduchess did, etc, etc... I guess in 1889 some newspapers (italians' IL MATTINO, french' LE GAULOIS and LE MATIN, deutsch' BERLINER TAGEBLATT, etc) commited errors on empress Elisabeth, his grandmother, reporting after the death of Rudolph acts of insanity Sisi "did" ... but the wittnesses of the diaries of Marie Valerie and  of the ladies on waiting clearly stabilished that she did not ... :o... :o... :o... Anyway I will try to understand the case of Erzi... better if you help me...

Best regards for all of you

C-C
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #217 on: September 19, 2006, 12:18:37 PM »
I decided to devote a special subject on the Empress Elisabeth of Austria for post new photos of her and her family (husband, children, parents, siblings...). The majority of them come from the book of Catherine Clement " Sissi, the anarchistic Empress " marvelously quite illustrated.
I wished to make some profit everyone.
In a friendly way.

I start with 3 new pictures of Sissi :


About 1857, a photo of Franz Hansfstaengl


Around 1860, photo of Ludwig Angerer


And about 1864

Soon others of this splendid Empress will follow...
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #218 on: September 20, 2006, 03:59:16 AM »
In 1877 the Empress Elizabeth of Austria visited England to go hunting. She stayed at Cottesbrooke House and chose Earl Spencer as Master of Hunt. When she left England she presented Earl Spencer a large picture of herself on a horse called "Merry Andrew". This picture was later hanging in Althorp House. Does someone of you have a picture of this painting  and can post it ?

The empress also liked the portrait of Lady Henrietta Langham, the wife of Sir William Langham 8th hanging in the hall at Cottesbrooke and ordered a copy of it. Does someone of you have a picture of this painting and can post it ?

Who knows more details ?
Greetings Alice


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #219 on: September 21, 2006, 09:42:54 PM »
 :)

Dear Alice:

Are either of these 3 the one you are talking about?







I believe that all of these are from Sisi's period of time.
I hope that one of these is the one you are looking for!   ;D

Janet R.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #220 on: September 22, 2006, 09:49:09 AM »
A nice photo. I found it on a hungary site.



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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #221 on: September 24, 2006, 08:57:25 AM »
Here three other photographs of the Empress Elisabeth taken in 1866 and 1867 :






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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #223 on: October 02, 2006, 03:47:46 PM »
In my opinion this photo is a montage, because I've seen it with another background.
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part I
« Reply #224 on: October 04, 2006, 10:46:17 AM »
In my opinion it's definitely too easy to say: Oh, poor Elisabeth was so young and her mother-in-law was so mean and took Sophie, Gisela and Rudolf away from her.
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


Elisabeth