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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2010, 12:15:48 PM »
History does not usually mention the following:  Kaiser Wilhelm sent people into the German-Russian colonies and identified all the families, placed them into records, which genealogist like myself use to find our ancestors who migrated into Russia from the late 1700s to the early 1900s.  It was the first step of  discovering how many Germans, living in Russia,  might support the German armies when they entered Russia, if a war, later known as the Great War or WWI,  would carry them into the Ukraine area.

In the early 1920s,  a young student by the name of Karl Stumpp discovered the information and later would write his book THE EMIGRATION FROM GERMANY TO RUSSIA IN THE YEARS 1765 TO 1862.

An excellent book written  by Manchestor on the Krupp family gives you a insight into "how goes Krupp goes Germany"

Gotta run.  Will add my thoughts on "Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War" when I can.

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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2010, 01:03:14 PM »
In terms of treaties, Russia had a treaty with France but this would not have been activated by Austro Hungary attacking Serbia.  The problem was that on the 25 of May 1914, the Imperial Council in Russia decided to support Serbia.  Austro Hungary declared war on Serbia and at this point Russia started to mobilize.  Germany then declared war on Russia and it....

Do you have certain source on Imperial Council's declaration? How could it have been declared in May? I am not sure if I had understood some things about chronology of those events. (I am doing on seminar on Nicholas II, therefore I must have certain information).

What happened at the Konopisht castle during Nicholas' visit to Romania in June of 1914, where Franz Ferdinand and Kaiser Wilhelm met and discussed about ' Entente's future and possible war with Russia in sooner time'.

The ultimatum was finished on July 19th in Vienna, but it was decided to send it as soon as President Poincare leaves Russia, where he had been for several days, and left Russia on July 23th. So Serbian Government got the ultimatum on July 23th. Reason for its delaying was fear of immediate collaboration between Russia and France.

The last point of the ultimatum would allow to Austro Hungarian investigation body to do the research over the Serbian territory. Simply, it couldn't have been allowed. So that A.-H. declared war on July 28th, a month after the assassination in Sarajevo. Serbian regent asked for Nicholas' help and for Russia's involvement. Nicholas replied that ' in any case, Russia will not remain indifferent towards Serbia'.

Germany declares was on August 1st 1914 (Nicholas'  face turned pale), and the day after (after consultations with minister Sazonov and sir George Buchanan), Tsar agreed for mobilization, and held the famous speech at the Winter Palace balcony on August 2nd.Even the same declaration of was says that unprotected Belgrade was attacked and Russia's historical mission is protecting Slavs. Russia tried to help twice times before , in 1908/9 and in 1912/3.
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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2010, 01:16:38 PM »
i did have when i did that but im not sure which one i used now. It could have been Martin Gilbert or Barabara Tuchman or Norman Davies

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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2010, 09:40:35 PM »
Speaking of France, its role in the beginning of the war cannot be excessively emphasized. The Third Republic was an inherently weak regime that lasted as long as it did only because everybody in France wanted to avenge the 1870-71 War. Once that was accomplished, the regime began to fall apart, so that the Germans defeated it in 1940 without an excess of effort.
What was one of the main reasons for which the Sp Second Republic was so weak from the start? Its founders chose to model it after the Third Republic, which by that time was no longer anything that could be regarded as a shining example of what a republic should be.

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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2010, 02:42:09 AM »
Belianis
  you seem to have skipped the First World War and gone directly to the Second World War from the Franco Prussian War.

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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2010, 04:37:44 AM »
The problem was that everybody thought it would be a short war and everybody would be home before christmas (1914 that is..). Nobody knew that is would be the end of an era.

If Nicholas decided NOT to mobilize against Germany and Austria, then there would not have been a war THEN and THERE but sooner of later some other incident would lead to war.
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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2010, 09:18:58 AM »
I suppose if you have a standing army of 1,000,000 you think that all  you have to do is mobilise and then the other side will back down.  He totally underestimated kaiser Wilhelm.

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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2010, 11:52:12 AM »
The revolution would probably have still happened, just at a later time.
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Re: Suppose that Russia Had Not Entered the War ...
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2010, 02:15:38 AM »
probably not without a spark like a major defeat in a war like that in 1905.  Russia was producing enough food to feed itself and if the First World War had not happened, maybe the great depression with comodity prices in free fall would have sparked a revolution but by that time the communist party in Russia would have hit the skids and Lenin would have died in exile in Switzerland. Trotsky and Stalin would not have had the leadership abilities to bring a revolution to fulfilment and there would have been few other candidates capable of leading a revolution.  Probably by the 1920s or 1930s a more democratic form of government would have evolved in Russia and Russia may have evolved into a democratic country.