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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2011, 07:26:07 AM »
not always happens the way you say. About three years ago i bought a Pss Alexandra cabinet and a while ago i found the same picture in a flickr gallery. Happened that this guy bought a copy of the same image on ebay. Following your statement i would claim he stole my image and ask him  to take it off from his gallery, when he only bought another copy of the image since they were mass reproduced. Even happened here when Eddie , who has a collection of his own, posted  the same image of alexandra that it was on a ebay auction days before he posted that image. What if the owner had sent a message to the forum ad to ask to remove that image, even tho Eddie IS the owner of the copy of that same image?-.The same question for those who gonna buy copies of those rare images from the saxe coburg and gotha private albumns , which are currently on sale on ebay?.

This is a tricky thing, because as i said before, sometimes the image was taken by X photo studio, the negative sold and the image reproduced as CDV or Cabinet card by different or the same photo studios (there is one of Alexandra by Downey and the same image also by Melhuish).

The only way to Prove you own a "unique" picture is : 1) this is an unique image AKa candid family image, held previously by a private owner, 2)you bought a copy from a private archive and the owner assured you that it was a rare and unique  portrait, even tho if its an official image which, i repeat, it was mass reproduced and as costume back them, everybody had a copy.

Anyway, the picture i posted didnt belong to any owner, it was on a russian website of auctions and russian people, mostly of them , are more relaxed about copyright issues since the laws there are a bit different (for what i ve been told. Correct me if im wrong)

Back  to the topic..

Queen olga with Andrew and Christopher

 
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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2011, 08:21:17 AM »
I am not going to discuss this further. It is perfectly obvious and has been forever when people post an image from ebay. No items are exactly alike and can often be told apart from watermarks, bindings, etc... There are occasions where an item may be mistaken (Eric once thought I used one of Robert Golden's photos but I had gotten the picture from the ILN. This was quickly cleared up.) so, yes, there are often numerous copies of a certain image which is why 1000s of images are currently posted on the forum. However, when the exact image (markings, etc) is up on Ebay at this very minute....let's not be naive here. It has come to the seller's attention apparently. This IS THE POLICY. When an owner complains it WILL be removed. End of discussion. The Forum takes copyright very seriously and we will err on the side of caution. If it comes from other websites, the courteous thing to do is to note which one and give credit. Marlene, for instance, won't allow photos (which are from her very rare and extensive collection) to be copied from her website. You need to provide a link to them. Another website that people used to lift from all the time without credit was forced to shut down. This is why many of our users (such as Eddie and Svetabel who are so kind to share) mark their items. Some posters stopped posting their photos years ago or even left the Forum--a real loss. Even if the buyer intends to do nothing but sit on them and not publish them ever, they are still THEIRS. Many people don't care but I receive PMs from parties who want pictures removed--as I'm sure other mods have--and I will follow up. That is that persons' right. You don't have to like it. I have already referred people who are not conversant on the policy or copyright to the link discussing the situation. People could probably stand to read up on it. END of story--people either abide by the policies of the Forum or not. There's nothing more to discuss here.
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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2011, 09:53:08 AM »
That seems clear enough. I hope people will abide by these simple rules of courtesy. I heard that now even ILN & the Graphic have websites and charge for usages of their images, but I guess it can't go back that far as 1900 and charge anybody that have a copy of an image from ILN.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2011, 10:47:03 AM »
Thank you, Eric. As for the ILN, the copyright on images should have lapsed around the 1930s. I would think you could license (like from the Hesse archives or so on) from them rather than try and track down an issue if you were thinking of putting the images in a book. Anyway, back to topic.

I just purchased (speaking of old magazines!) the image of Queen Olga in front of the pyramids soon after her widowhood. Does anyone know much about this trip--what prompted it, who accompanied her, what she thought of the country or the trip's duration? It always struck me as rather adventurous (though certainly many royals visited) for this lady in her 60s, freshly widowed, to pack up and go visit the desert.
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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2011, 11:14:26 AM »
Queen Olga was known to have great interest & energy for travel. She had a real miss during WWI when she tried to get out of Russia at the time of the Revolution. While Queen Sophie was more retiring by nature,  her mother-in-law was tireless in her work and also for her family.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #95 on: June 20, 2011, 02:13:15 PM »


I just purchased (speaking of old magazines!) the image of Queen Olga in front of the pyramids soon after her widowhood. Does anyone know much about this trip--what prompted it, who accompanied her, what she thought of the country or the trip's duration? It always struck me as rather adventurous (though certainly many royals visited) for this lady in her 60s, freshly widowed, to pack up and go visit the desert.

I think you mean a photo of 1914 year. She was there with her brother Konstantin and his wife if I remember correctly.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #96 on: June 20, 2011, 03:19:17 PM »
Thank you for the additional information, Svetabel. Now to try and find a photo of Constantine and Elizabeth on the trip as well.  :)  I have been hunting for my own copy of this photo for awhile, having been outbid on ebay a few times. I actually prefer this as it's on a full-length page so I guess good things come to those who wait.  ;) Still, Queen Olga looks so incredibly sad and aged in this photo. It's good that she could have her brother along with her on the trip.
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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #97 on: June 21, 2011, 03:35:03 AM »
Still, Queen Olga looks so incredibly sad and aged in this photo. It's good that she could have her brother along with her on the trip.

I find their Egypt trip quite sad for both  sister and brother. Olga lost her husband almost a year ago, Konstantin was in a bad health becouse of problems with his heart - that's why his doctors sent him to the Egypt. His death is not so far - 1915 year ((.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #98 on: June 21, 2011, 09:37:03 AM »
It is good they get some quality time together, Queen Olga dedicated so much time & energy for her country & family, it would been nice for her to have a vacation with her brother.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #99 on: July 17, 2011, 10:02:40 AM »
Queen Olga at Xenia and William Leeds's wedding :

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #100 on: July 17, 2011, 11:57:25 AM »
I don't see any picture??

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2011, 01:42:57 PM »
It is there. I can see it very well. Olga wason the arm of her youngest son Prince Christopher of Greece, decked in white and pearls.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #102 on: July 17, 2011, 08:26:28 PM »
I believe the gentleman alighting from the car behind them is Grand Duke Dmitri.
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« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2011, 09:10:07 AM »
Today, I can see it.  Yesterday, it didn't matter what I did, it wasn't there.

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Re: King George I & Queen Olga (nee Romanov) of Greece, Part II
« Reply #104 on: July 28, 2011, 04:20:35 PM »
King George shopping--is that Alexander and perhaps Hans of Schleswig-Holstein with him?
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