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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2005, 05:46:42 PM »
I am interested in how Lu and Peg Hesse managed to survive under Hitler-with her being an enemy national.  Were they forced to leave Germany to Switzerland or did they escape before Hitler could get his hands on them.  It is a wonder Wolfsgarten survived the war.  I know Lu and Peg were still in Darmstadt in 1939 when Princess Johanna died. Did they leave there treasures behind or hide them?

I know they were very helpful to refugees among the family and retainers after the war, including the Hesse Kassel family.  

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2005, 08:00:41 AM »
Are there some more pictures of her?

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2005, 08:58:07 AM »
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Thank you Rita for this information. I wondered are there any surviving relatives of the Princess from among these brothers?



Plenty - - you will find the Geddes family in Debrett's Peerage or Burkes Peerage/
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2005, 09:02:21 AM »
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I am interested in how Lu and Peg Hesse managed to survive under Hitler-with her being an enemy national.  Were they forced to leave Germany to Switzerland or did they escape before Hitler could get his hands on them.  It is a wonder Wolfsgarten survived the war.  I know Lu and Peg were still in Darmstadt in 1939 when Princess Johanna died. Did they leave there treasures behind or hide them?

I know they were very helpful to refugees among the family and retainers after the war, including the Hesse Kassel family.  



They stayed in Germany.  After the war's end,  Wolfsgarten became the place for German royals to gather and meet - especially the ones who had to flee the east.  Cecilie of Prussia met her husband, Clyde Harris at Wolfsgarten.
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2005, 09:03:36 AM »
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Princess Margaret's nationality was of great help after the English and American came to Germany - much was made possible for her due to her Scotish birth.
Her relative, Landgräfin Mafalda had to pay for her Italian nationality...



Margaret was born in Dublin, Ireland.  She was not born in Scotland.

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2005, 10:40:30 AM »
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But she was a Scotswoman - as I think that the Campbells are one the the eldest branches of Scotish nobility. With "birth" I meant origin.



Campbell is a rather common surname, and there are plenty of Campbells in Ireland as well. The Geddes' were an Anglo-Irish family.  The peerage created for Sir Auckland (baron Geddes) was an Irish peerage.  Campbell was a family name - Margaret's paternal grandfather was also Auckland Campbell Geddes.  
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2005, 12:38:17 PM »
From Debrett's:

The Hon. Margaret Campbell, nee Geddes, da. of 1 Baron Geddes; b. 1913, m. 1937, Prince Louis (Ludwig) Hermann Alexander Chlodwig of Hesse. Adopted Son: Prince Moritz of Hesse.  Living at Wolfsgarten in 1982.

At least 4 brothers: the 2nd Baron Geddes (not sure of name); David; John; and Alexander, who married HSH Princess Marie-Anne of Salm-Reiffersheidt.
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2005, 03:53:17 PM »
The name of the eldest brother was Ross

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2005, 05:58:10 PM »
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Campbell is a rather common surname, and there are plenty of Campbells in Ireland as well. The Geddes' were an Anglo-Irish family.  The peerage created for Sir Auckland (baron Geddes) was an Irish peerage.  Campbell was a family name - Margaret's paternal grandfather was also Auckland Campbell Geddes.  


One genealogy said this:
Auckland L. of Rolvenden GEDDES
Does the 'L' stand for Lord or, if it is Scottish, Laird? And shouldn't it be Baron anyway?  ???
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2005, 06:01:00 PM »
This was listed in 2002:

the London Sinfonietta will also be performing the UK premiere of Hans Werner Henze's Trauer-Ode für Margaret Geddes, a work composed by Henze in 1997 as a tribute to his friend, HRH The Princess of Hesse and the Rhine. The Princess's departure from the world left Henze, in his own words, 'with great chagrin and an awkward feeling of irreparable loss and void'. His tribute is in the form of a six-part motet for cellos 'reflecting pain, loss and sorrow'.
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2005, 06:03:54 PM »
Warm woman that she seems to be (and shown in that one sweet portrait of her and Johanna in QV's Family) it's a shame they didn't have children of their own.

Considering that Alice & Vicky were so close though, it's interesting that the head of the house is Vicky's great-grandson. Another aside is that Cecile's sister Sophie had married Moritz's uncle Christopher of Hesse.
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2005, 06:25:05 PM »
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One genealogy said this:
Auckland L. of Rolvenden GEDDES
Does the 'L' stand for Lord or, if it is Scottish, Laird? And shouldn't it be Baron anyway?  ???



Laird is a feudal title.  

The fifth grade of the Scottish peerage is Lord of Parliament (the equivalent of Baron).

My mistake - Geddes is not an Irish peerage, but a UK Peerage, created in 1942.  Baron Geddes of Rolvenden in the county of Kent.

The family was originally Scots.  Campbell may have been a family name, but not a maternal surname for Margaret's paternal grandmother nor great-grandmother (both if which were surnamed Anderson)
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2005, 06:38:28 PM »
Was Prince Ludwig of  Hesse Charles' godfather, or that of Prince Andrew?

I am glad that Prince Philip and family kept the close relationship with the Hesse Darmstadt family that was such an interesting aspect of his background and childhood.

I believe Lu and Peg gave a Fabrege box of Tsarist (Nicky or Alix) provenance to Philip and the Queen as a wedding present.

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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2005, 10:29:37 PM »
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Was Prince Ludwig of  Hesse Charles' godfather, or that of Prince Andrew?

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Neither.  Prince Louis of Hesse and by Rhine was Prince Edward's godfather, along with the Duchess of Kent (Pss Marina stood proxy)  Princess Georg Wilhelm of Hannover,  PRince Richard of Gloucester, and the Earl of Snowdon.

This is why the prince was named  Edward Antony Richard Louis
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Re: Prince Ludwig & Margaret Geddes
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2005, 04:30:40 PM »
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Prince Ludwig was the Prince of Wales's Godfather!

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No,  Ludwig was NOT Charles' godfather.  He was Edward's godfather.  Charles' godparents were KIng George VI, Queen Mary, PRincess Margaret, the KIng of Norway (Haakon),  Prince George of Greece, the Dowager Marchioness of MIlford Haven, Lady Brabourne and the Hon David Bowes Lyon.
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