Alfonso de Orleans, Infante of Spain and Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

posted by grandduca anton on another thread

That's a touching picture, every time I look at it I think what a wonderful pair they were...Of course we don't know all the details of their married life (and this is not our business actually) but in the pictures they look wonderful together in spite of Don Alfonso's severe and somewhat gloomy appereance.

They were a happily married couple ...

That's a touching picture, every time I look at it I think what a wonderful pair they were...Of course we don't know all the details of their married life (and this is not our business actually) but in the pictures they look wonderful together in spite of Don Alfonso's severe and somewhat gloomy appereance.

They were a happily married couple ...

That's a touching picture, every time I look at it I think what a wonderful pair they were...Of course we don't know all the details of their married life (and this is not our business actually) but in the pictures they look wonderful together in spite of Don Alfonso's severe and somewhat gloomy appereance.

Then they were really luckies. Beatrice is one of my favourite Royal personages.

So when Montpensier died in 1890 when didn't his French title pass to his family?

So when Montpensier died in 1890 when didn't his French title pass to his family?

The title of "duke of Montpensier" is a French title which only depends on the head of the House of Orléans. When Antoine d'Orléans married the infanta Maria Luisa Fernanda de Borbón, he became infante of Spain. His French title returned to the Orléans and was conferred in 1890 to Ferdinand d'Orléans(1884-1924) by his father, the count of Paris... Ferdinand, by his
mother, Maria Isabel, was also the grandson of Antoine, duke of Montpensier.

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hi Remi, many thanks for the reply. I suppose i'm not quite sure of the details which i hope you will help me with. Montpensier, a French Prince ,marries into the Spanish Royal House in 1846 and is created an Infante of Spain in 1859. He is always known as Montpensier and did not rennounce his claim or membership of the French Royal House. So why didn't Infante Fernando succeed as 2 Duke of Montpensier? I didn't think French Royal Dukedoms were given for life and it didn't stop his son taking an Italian Dukedom in 1895. many thanks

Hello Norbert. Yes, Montpensier did not renouce his rights to the throne of...Louis Philippe. He carried on bearing the title of duke of Montpensier all his life, till his death in 1890 indeed.You talked about don Fernando, the eldest son of the duke, I suppose? But this prince died before his father on the third of december 1873 in the Little Seminary of La Chapelle Mesmin (Loiret) where he was pupil. He was 14 year old. He is buried in Dreux with the other Orléans.

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Well...The titles of Infante in Spain and Duke of Galliera is good enough for Ali & Bee.

Hello Norbert. Yes, Montpensier did not renouce his rights to the throne of...Louis Philippe. He carried on bearing the title of duke of Montpensier all his life, till his death in 1890 indeed.You talked about don Fernando, the eldest son of the duke, I suppose? But this prince died before his father on the third of december 1873 in the Little Seminary of La Chapelle Mesmin (Loiret) where he was pupil. He was 14 year old. He is buried in Dreux with the other Orléans.

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Of course , sorry Remi. I didn't know where he died, Burkes had " nr Orleans", so many thanks.
So to return to my question (if you will kindly bear with me). Why didn't the Royal title pass to Antonio who would still be a French Prince?   

 Hi Eric As regards the Galliera title , I believe it came from an inheritance in Italy and was of no great historical interest whilst Montpensier has a glorious history.

And you mean the title of Infante of Spain does not ? As the son and grandson of an Infante (through marriage to an Infanta of Spain), Ali had 2 dozes of Spanish royal blood and as royal as the Spanish Royal Family. I think he thought of himself more Spanish than French. 

Well...The titles of Infante in Spain and Duke of Galliera is good enough for Ali & Bee.

You're right indeed! As proof, don Alfonso left his title of duke de Galliera in 1937 to his son don Alvaro who, due his morganatic marriage with Carla Parodi Delfino, had no title, was neither infante of Spain nor prince. I am not sure that the title of Duke de Galliera (italian title) is recognized in Spain.

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Of course , sorry Remi. I didn't know where he died, Burkes had " nr Orleans", so many thanks.
So to return to my question (if you will kindly bear with me). Why didn't the Royal title pass to Antonio who would still be a French Prince?

I don't think that Antonio would still be a French Prince. He was an infante of Spain. He was considered as a foreign prince by the head of House of Orléans. Consequently, the title of duke of  Montpensier could not pass to Antonio.

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I see, interesting that he was not commpensated with a Spanish Dukedom. many thanks

And you mean the title of Infante of Spain does not ? As the son and grandson of an Infante (through marriage to an Infanta of Spain), Ali had 2 dozes of Spanish royal blood and as royal as the Spanish Royal Family. I think he thought of himself more Spanish than French. 

Indeed the title and style of Infante of Spain is extremely important, but it would only be for the imediate members related to the Royal House. I think they would consider what their descendants would have to use in the future. The Italian King helped out with this Galliera dukedom which is not recognised in Spain.