Alfonso de Orleans, Infante of Spain and Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

Well...With or without the French title, Ali & Bee were respected and invited to all the European royal family events. Bee declined in her later years due to ill health, but Ali 's face was visable in a lot of family and official events...

The infante don Alfonso de Orleans Borbón didn't care for having a title... He was one of the first aviators in Spain, chief of staff of the Spanish Air Force and commander of the First Aero District (Andalucia) in 1931; head of the Second Division Air Force in 1940; brigadier general in 1943...
That is worth all royal titles, no?

REMI

As well as a good marriage blessed with healthy children.

as I said before , I'm surprised that Beatrice and Alfonso didn't want something grander to pass onto their descendants. Today they are French princes living in Spain with an Italian title which is not recognised .

Norbert, why do you persist saying that the Orleans Borbon are French princes? They are neither princes, nor french. The descendants of Alfonso et Beatrice are only Spanish aristocrats.

REMI

Sorry remi, i bow to your knowledge.

Well...They are decendenents of 2 Infantas and deemed Spanish in almost every way. However in her lifetime, Bee still thought of herself as a British Princess (She was born in England while her father was still Duke of Edinburgh). When GV wanted to create Georgie a duke after he married Marina, he thought about the title of Duke of Edinburgh. He write to Missy to see if she would mind. Her reply was that she wished he wouldn't since she and her sisters still thought of themselves as the "Edinburgh girls". George was created Duke of Kent instead.

I'm terribly confused about the Duke and Duchess of Galliera's son's titles. I know its not the most important of things, but it is doing my head in! When their eldest son, Alvaro, was born the Gallieras were in a sort of exile in Coburg and their baby son, i think, had no official title. When Alonso was born, they made him an Infante and a Royal Highness. However when Ataulfo was born he was made el Príncipe de la Casa de Borbón also a Royal Highness. But I see them mostly with the titles of Princes d'Orléans-Borbón also with Royal Highness. If anyone has a definitive answer on their titles and styles on the three of them? Thankyou.

I used these as my references ^ : http://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/infantes.htm

Alfonso or Ali was an Infante since his mother (Eulalie) and grandmother (Luisa) were Infantas of Spain. When he married Baby Bee in Coburg, he was in disgrace and titles were taken away from him. That is when the confusion started...

Yes Eric that is where all the confusion started...! Royals virtually always take their titles from their father, through the male line. The Duke was made an Infante because, like you said his mother was. He also had a Italian dukedom (galliera). Here is the male line:

King Louis Philippe of France
               I
Antoine, Duke of Montpensier
               I
Antonio de Orleans-Galliera y Borbón
               I
Infante Alfonso, Duke of Galliera
               I
Alvaro, Alonso and Ataulfo

You can now see why everyone is going on about a french title.

I think that is because the Spanish titles are not automatic but by the wishes of the Monarch. Like the Duke of Cardiz's son Luis Alfonso should have been made a Spanish Duke & an Infante. But because the title of Duke of Cadiz was only lifetime stipulated by the monarch. Juan Carlos (probably due to the bad relations with the decendents of the Don Jaime line) decided to deny his nephew a Spanish title. That is why Luis Alfonso reverted back to his French title.

I just got the new bio of Baby Bee & Ena. A wonderful book with nice photos and lots of family letters...

It is a wonderful book indeed, I agree with Eric.

I've learnt so much more about European Royalty with it, in terms of genealogy, relationships... The real story of many royals, it's a quite vivid portrait of a whole different life, so appealing and interesting... I think this book is simply fascinating! Even more considering the gorgeous photos and the letters (the letters are always my favourite part!). I haven't finished it yet, but I got to the 30's, I believe.

Would anyone happen to have any picture of Beatrice´s third son Ataulfo ?

Do you have the Spanish book on Bee? I have a copy of it and it has quite a number of photos on Ataulfo, including one with Bee & Ena in Villa Fontaine.

No, it is very complicated for me to get any book from abroad and when such a rare occssion occurs I choose some Romanov book. I would just like to have a desent-sized not the most awful quality childhood pidture of Ataulfo to colour....