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Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« on: October 23, 2010, 01:08:47 AM »

The Prince of Orange's mother, Queen Sophie of the Netherlands, was an Anglophile and very, very keen on a marriage to one of Queen Victoria's daughters and Prince Albert was initially in favor of Alice marrying the heir to the Dutch throne. Both Alice and William were very indifferent to the idea though they were aware of their parents desires. The British and Dutch press often wrote about it.

Guess I've wondered about what would have happened if Prince Albert's original plan to marry Princess Alice to the Prince of Orange had happened. Hemophilia into the Dutch Royal Family. Would Nicholas II had married one of her daughters and would it have made a difference in Russian to non-German Dutch bride since so much much was made of Alexandra's German origins especially in World War II. Would they have a son and heir since the House of Orange in the male line died out in that generation? Princess Alice probably would have been beyond miserable in that marriage. Wonder if Edward VIII would have partied with the Prince of Orange the way he in the same seeing how miserable his marriage with his beloved sister was going? Would Alice have better the Prince of Orange? Would they both died young (she in 1878 and he in 1879)? There's a lot of "what if" in this.

This is what David Duff has to say in 'Hessian Tapestry' about the 'Orange Boy' and his subsequent history.
''What then, of the future of "the Orange Boy", who, of man's age, became "Citron" of the Paris boulevards?  Not long after the debacle with Princess Alice, he pondered on the possibilities of Princess Mary of Cambridge, with whom he had been at the theatre on the night when he had no eyes for the ballet girls.  He prepared another onslaught on London.
The thought of such an alliance filled Napoleon III with many misgivings.  Princess Mary's brother was British Commander-in-Chief.  Her family was, on her mother's side, strongly entrenched in Germany.  He decided that the marriage should not take place.  But he shelved the customary high level methods of other rulers, and employed more subtle means.  His plan was made easier when he learned that "Citron" was travelling to London via Paris.
There was laid across his route, as if by accident, one Elizabeth Cookson, a strumpet of great renown, who had once served in a New York whisky dive.  The trap proved even more successful than the Emperor had dared to hope.  Not only did the Prince delay his journey to England so that he might dally with Elizabeth, but he openly drove around with her in an orange coloured landau bearing the Royal Arms of Holland.  The news flashed around London and, when the Prince finally arrived there, he found all doors firmly closed.
Apparently unconcerned, the Prince returned to Paris and continued his love life with Miss Cookson.  The idyll was broken by the furious King of Holland, who cut off financial supplies.  The couple were quickly in debt.  It was Elizabeth who suggested the plan that she should go to the Hague and apeal to the King for help to relieve them of their pressing needs.  "Citron" agreed, and she took the train to Holland.'
The upshot was that she became his father's mistress, caused a hige scandal in Holland and departed a very rich woman with the deeds to an apparently worthless lead mine that the King had given her, which subsequently turned out to be very valuable!
The Orange Boy tried his hand for Pcss Louise, but Q.Victoria blocked that idea swiftly; other objects of his affection were an American heiress, Cora Pearl, the notorious courtesan, Lady Diana Beauclerk, daughter of the Duke of St Albans and finally Sarah Bernhardt.
He died in 1879, diabetic and very much a victim of his fast way of life.  In the words of Sir George Arthur, he died with no real enemy in the world except himself.

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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 12:33:05 PM »
I think in Gerald Noel's book it was speculated Alice would have liked the more progessive nature of the Netherlands than backward Darmstadt.

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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 09:35:41 AM »
alice`s wedding








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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 10:32:09 AM »
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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2010, 01:36:05 PM »
alice`s bridal suit in osborne


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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2010, 01:32:53 PM »
Baby Alice with her sisters
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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2010, 01:53:56 PM »
Alice was the peace maker in the family, she adored Vicky but loved Bertie.  :)

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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2010, 06:20:27 AM »

 the picture was taken on 04.07.1861





the picture was taken on 08.12.1860





alice & louise at bertie`s wedding


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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2010, 08:30:20 AM »
Alice was the peace maker in the family, she adored Vicky but loved Bertie.  :)

That's interesting, so Alice didn't love Vicky is what your saying. That's sad. :(
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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2010, 09:17:59 AM »
Alice was the peace maker in the family, she adored Vicky but loved Bertie.  :)

That's interesting, so Alice didn't love Vicky is what your saying. That's sad. :(


I think she DID love Vicky. Bertie, however, was not duly appreciated by his parents,he was never good enough, bave enough,cleve enough, intelligent enough and so on. He was neve as ggod as PA. And Vicky was intellectually superior. Alice became  drawn to him as she was so kind and merciful. Bertie was gateful to her and reciprocated her feelings. There was a profound bond between them . It`s hardly possible  to say that Alice didn

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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2010, 09:20:13 AM »
it`s hardly possible to say that Alice didn`t love Vicky. It`s better to postulate that Alice had diffeent sort of feeling towards Vicky and Bertie.

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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2010, 09:35:05 AM »
its like mothers : you love all your children but always there will be a favorite ;-D

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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2010, 10:20:07 AM »
Thank youvoletta! However it was a tounge in cheek post  ;) from Eric's earlier nonsense one. I know full well that Vicky, Bertie & Alice all shared a special bond and they appeared to have loved it each deeply.
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Re: Princess Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Part III
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2010, 03:52:59 PM »
it`s hardly possible to say that Alice didn`t love Vicky. It`s better to postulate that Alice had diffeent sort of feeling towards Vicky and Bertie.

I think if anything, Alice and Vicky developed more of a bond as they grew older and experienced the same circumstances (living in a foreign country, having a big family, husbands going off to war... sometimes with each other).  A lot of statements about Alice and Bertie's bond comes from their circumstances when they were young.  But it seems as though once Alice moved to Germany, she didn't see all that much of Bertie.  And when she did, she might have felt that his world was very different from hers.

By the way, was that picture drawn by Victoria or Albert?
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