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Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« on: November 20, 2007, 03:13:43 PM »
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 08:17:08 PM »
The set of black and white engravings from Veu1 are great! Are they around in a larger size? :)

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 09:32:33 PM »
I don't think MA was really innocent or guilty. I agree that the system in France was corrupt and ripe to fall. Louis XVI was intelligent, he studied history, and knew you couldn't rule by force, like another poster mentioned. I feel he had some perception, but he did not have the will, circumstances, or charisma to implement what he could at times percieve. He was weak enough anyway, and weaker when faced with a corrupt system. MA wasn't a traitor- she just believed in her own values with regards to the monarchy, and she was concerned perhaps more with herself at times than she ought to have been. History writes her off as frivolous- but she was only that when younger. She was about 14 upon her arrival in France. She had alot of responsibility on her shoulders at a young age and may not have seen that, since she acted as she naturally would have, not in accordance with her role all the time. Indeed, if the kingdom/ system in france had been more stable, MA would be remembered more like Alix of Wales- that's correct. As MA grew older she got more responsible. Hardly surprising. She was not suited to the tumultous times she lived in, and like her husband for different reasons became a victim of her times.
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 02:07:31 AM »
Actually it was in style to be rich, young, beautiful and in debt. I can find my notes if I need to....And she was only 15. The Court was a dangerous mix of factions and as Austria and France had been involved in a War, an Austrian Bride was going to be unpopular! But the Politics of the Court was the most back stabbing rumor filled and the more I read the more I realize that Marie Antoinette should have been sent over at a very early age and grown up at Court to survive it. Even then with jealous Aunts and no privacy at all, just trying to make a small group of People your friends and trust them became the heart of horrible jealousy. The Petit Trianon became a thorn for those that had no admittance and the criticism was unrelenting. I think that only Elizabeth I or Catherine the Great could have survived it! It would have taken that kind of ruthless, political animal to have made it through! And I mean that in the best way....

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 11:26:13 PM »
I found a picture of a lock of MA's hair on flickr. The woman took the picture when she visited the British Museum. http://www.flickr.com/photos/echo_29/101001252
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 10:59:17 AM »
The Revolutionaries were trying to "break" Marie Antoinette when they bought her to trial. They initially had her sitting there under questioning for hours and hours, with barely anything to eat. She was known to have been bleeding heavily (even hemmoriging) and weak. Not to mention the extreme amount of sorrow she must have still been feeling due to the final separation from her children.  A woman does not get over her children being taken away - especially in a couple months time!  So, here we have a woman, in ill health, sad beyond description - and she still managed to rise above all her accusers. I don't think that these morons realized that she was capable of outwitting them.  What a bunch of bullies - all those men ganging up on one woman- it is to her extreme credit that she was able to maintain- I doubt these men could have behaved as well under the same circumstances.

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2009, 03:34:34 AM »
Like all such show trials, this was not designed to have any ending but one of execution.  Marie Antoinette's answers, though I would absolutely agree they were spirited and dignified, were almost irrelevant in reality and everyone, including her, knew it.  I'm not a fan of Marie Antoinette's, but have always thought these were truly her finest hours.

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2009, 03:44:54 PM »
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I wonder how she would have worn the Bleu Diamond (now in the Smithsonmian in D.C.)
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I once read this and I loved it! She had a black velvet hat and she wore it in the middle or band part! You remember how those hats had brims and of course She would have worn it other ways. But what style! I think the whole outfit was black velvet too! :)

Isn't the diamond in her hair in this portrait? http://www.ladyreading.net/marieantoinette/index-en.html

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 07:39:16 PM »
I imagined so!!! I like this enormous whigs with beautiful ornaments... sooo elegant!!!
Marie Antoniette have a pair of them ;-)

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 12:01:12 PM »
This is, I believe, the classic exaggerated do...

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 12:14:24 PM »
Yes i'm pretty sure its hard to wear this on your head.... and to what i know they never repeated one hairstyle So for one year they have over 1000 and more different hairstyles... And they even showed battles on their hairs....
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 01:07:29 PM »
Well, not really.  First, remember those who wore them were corseted and straight back.  They also knew how to balance, consider the gowns that went with these things. Next, the wigs were constructed over wire frames and not that heavy.  However, they were very tight on the head and many memoirs recount constant headaches.  As the wearers often had  very long hair, it was also incorporated to blend into the "construction" and  offered a more secure foundation to hold the whole thing together. They were just as difficult to get off as to put on though. Sometimes, depending on the occasion,  they wore them overnight and had to sleep in a chair.  A nasty effect from this was head lice. This was especially the case when wearing the famous set-pieces like the ships, bird cages and  battle scenes, landscapes, etc. These were for   very special  events, balls and  cost a fortune so they got as much wear out of them as they could. Styles did change each season and these wigs  became taller as Louis XVI's reign went on.  Although they were considered degenerate  during and after the Revolution, they are still used for fancy dress events. They take a lot of work to create, but wig specialists can do it. [so can most hairdressers, but usually  not on such a large scale]. Theatre & film studios  whip them up  on demand, so it is not a lost art.
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