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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2009, 01:25:27 PM »
Yes i have read the same... and it's quite interesting... but never knew sometimes they slept on chair...  Ofcourse it has reason but it's quite hard... I think i can get used with the hair thing but with the dresses.... I've read somewhere that the dresses were so ... "big" that they could reach the man only with a hand...something like this i must open and see....

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2009, 02:39:52 PM »
Is it true that the fashion of wearing this big whigs was started with Louis XIII to hide
that he haven't much hair???
Other question... why were the majority of the times this whigs white or nearly gray?

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2009, 02:41:17 PM »
This is, I believe, the classic exaggerated do...

My God!!!! There are several cartoons of this style showing this exaggerated whigs!!!
I'm sure that everyone would suffer pain using this all the day :-(

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2009, 02:57:04 PM »
 In those days, the wigs were powdered with talc. This was long before bleaching & dyeing hair. Just like today, that was the fashion of the era. 
 Louis XIII did not invent wearing wigs.  It started long before him as a way to control  body  lice.  Remember, people did not bathe  as a rule and  hygiene was rather primitive.
 As for the dresses, they were more show than substance. They also were construced around frames, all those layers of   fabric and lace, ribbons, whatever were pretty light weight.  And  easy to get on  & off.  There was not much in between the wearer and the beholder, if you get my drift.  Once one learned how to manipulate them,  they were fairly easy to get around in. You may notice the court balls were designed around dances, The dances were designed around the fashion; which is why the dances of the era were not very intimate. Arms length, so to speak.
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2009, 04:23:31 PM »
Yes. Which is why the fashion aftewards went the other direction. Very simple in style like tent dresses and short hair.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2009, 07:13:10 PM »
This is true. Who would not wish to  wear "nartual"  instead of that get up? The elaborate  wigs and gowns were just for court. We off on her own, in the gardens,  she went "casual"
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2009, 02:17:48 PM »
Does anyone know what was Marie Antoinette's real hair color?
I just have seen her wearing whigs

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 07:38:41 AM »
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In those days, the wigs were powdered with talc.

The basis of hair powder in the eighteenth century was "the best starch, dried; [also] sometimes, worm eaten or rotten wood, dried bones, or bones calcinated to whiteness.." (description of powder in 1779).  The final product was scented and coloured.  Men almost universally wore wigs with white powder, women wore grey or blue-grey powder in their hair, but blue, lavender and 'flaxen' colours were around.  The dazzling white wigs worn by women in films in modern times were unknown in the eighteenth century.  If women wore wigs - which Marie Antoinette did at various points in her life - it was because their natural hair was too thin, through nature, age or illness, to be made into the huge creations of the 1770s and 1780s.  While most women needed to supplement their hair, and pulled it over structures and pads, they did not wear wigs as a matter of course.


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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 05:18:52 AM »
Here is the lock of Marie Antoinette's Hair...its a pretty color!

http://rubypr.com/blog/2008/11/25/a-lock-of-marie-antoinettes-hair/


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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2009, 07:17:23 PM »
Is it true that it became white in just a few days?

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2009, 08:09:56 PM »
Is it true that it became white in just a few days?

From what I remember, Marie Antoinette's hair started growing gray or white in 1786 or 1787 (at age 31 or 32) but it was concealed......
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2009, 05:26:31 AM »
My notes state:
Madame Campan asserts Marie Antoinette's hair turned white during the journey from Varennes! She also states that MA wrote the Princess Lamballe "Sorrow has bleached my hair!"  Montjoye in his Histoire de Marie Antoinette states that it occurred in the October Days of 1789! In 1789 MA would have been 34 during the Flight and return from Varennes 36 years old!  
Evelyn Farr states it happened in the  ... confinement at the Tuileries on 25 June 1791, her hair turned white...but I am open to an earlier date is there a source for one?  :) I am reading the Secret Memoirs of the Princess Lamballe perhaps that might have something!

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2009, 07:00:00 PM »
The trip back from the flight of Varness...She was jeered at all through the journey. The worrying must have made her hair white.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2009, 02:43:06 AM »
The Duchess de Tourzel was Governess and accompanied the Royal Family on the flight from Varennes! These two paragraphs will give you some ideas of the treatment that Marie Antoinette and the Royal Family dealt with.


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The people who surrounded the carriage of the
King made remarks to their Majesties with insolent
familiarity whenever it pleased them, and replied to
their questions with revolting vulgarity. The kind-
ness with which the royal family treated them,
and the patience with which the}'' bore the heat and
the dust, which were excessive, but only appeared to
be felt by them in relation to the suft'erings of the
young Prince and Princess, would have made an im-
pression on less hardened hearts ; but they had only
one feeling that of rejoicing over the abasement of
the royal family, and their own triumph. It was
happiness to them to overwhelm their unfortunate
Sovereign with chagrin.

We then reached Epernay, where we were
awaited by a most excited and unbridled mob the
authorities, inhabitants, and the National Guard
were all equally detestable. The mayor presented
the keys of the town to the King. The president
of the district, who accompanied him, allowed him-
self to utter the bitterest remonstrances to his
Majesty, and he wound up his very insolent speech
by saying that he ought to be grateful to the town
for handing its keys to a fugitive King. The crowd,
which thronged the courtyard and the house where
the King was to dine, compelled him to alight at
the door. It indulged in the most fearful remarks,
and one of these monsters was heard to say to his
neighbour, "Hide me, so that I may fire on the
Queen without anybody knowing where the shot
comes from."
"Memoirs of the Dutchess de Tourzel, Governess to the children of France during the years 1789, 1790, 1791, 1792, 1793 and 1795"

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2009, 05:59:50 PM »
Although is true that she spent a considerable amount of money in jewels, in fact it isn't
strange in memebers of the royalty