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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2013, 02:02:45 PM »
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #136 on: February 10, 2013, 02:14:13 PM »
I thought the idea of presenting the atmosphere of Versailles from the point of view of the servants rather original, but the film was rather boring in my opinion.
Marie Antoinette came across as rather bitchy I thought.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #137 on: February 10, 2013, 06:07:49 PM »
She could be in her own way. I think after reading her spat with Madame Du Barry was actually quite childish, she had nothing against her but for her low social stature and morals.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #138 on: April 01, 2013, 07:58:38 PM »
I watched the movie again recently. Based on it, I do not think M-A was a lesbian. She did have a very close friendship with Gabrielle (one sided, as Gabrielle took advantage of M-A - money, titles for her family - and deserted her at the first chance), but not a sexual one. Diane Kruger who played M-A seems to agree with this viewpoint in her interviews. The director did try to sell the story as a lesbian triangle, but I think it was just a commercial ploy (a successful one).

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #139 on: April 06, 2013, 07:14:41 PM »
Louis XV whose last words were supposedly "after me the deluge" proved to be sadly true. Louis XVI would have to have been a political genius ect with a whole lot of luck to have survived what was to come. He wasn't and paid the ultimate price. Also note it was Frances involvement in the American Revolution, without which the Americans would of lost is what pushed France beyond the point of no return fiscaly and started the french Revolution. As for MA her expenses were small compared to the cost of the above war.  While MA gets the blame for wasting money Louis XVIs two brothers I believe each spent money just as fast or faster than she did. While MA gets damned for her unpopularity I would hardly call Louis XVIs two brothers and the rest of the french royal family popular. I must also point out there were a number of occations during the french revolution where with a little luck and some greater political smarts Louis XVI could have saved his throne and his life.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #140 on: April 06, 2013, 11:08:18 PM »
Napoleon once said had Louis XVI seized the moment and stand with his armies, he would have won the day. Louis's indecision cost him his life and his families too.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #141 on: April 08, 2013, 02:47:22 PM »
I do not think M-A was a lesbian.

Neither do I.  It's significant I think that her two closest female friends; Gabrielle de Polignac and the Princesse de Lamballe were both a few years older than she was.  I've always suspected that Antoinette was trying to recreate her relationship with her sister Caroline - who was probably the family member she was closest to growing up and also, probably the one she missed the most.  I think she wanted affection from a supportive older female but there was no desire for physical intimacy.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #142 on: April 08, 2013, 09:04:48 PM »
It seems that the absolutely standard response to any form of royal favoritism in the eighteenth century to assume that the favorite of whatever gender was the mistress or lover of the royal in question, or if they were too young, of their parents or older siblings.  Sometimes of course this was indeed the case, such as Louis XV and Mmes de Pompadour, du Barry et al, but not always.  Therefore, Lord Bute was thought to be the lover of George III's mother, Sir John Acton the lover of Queen Maria Carolina of Naples, and Gabrielle de Polignac and the Princesse de Lamballe were credited with being Marie Antoinette's lovers.  Partly of course this malice was due to the jealousy of the favourites' close hold on very valuable royal patronage, but generally the age of enlightenment was pretty cynical with regard to genuine friendship and not inclined to believe that was all there was.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #143 on: May 19, 2013, 05:01:16 PM »
I may have been wrong re: M-A's friendship with Gabrielle. It may not have been so one-sided as I had thought based on the movie Les Adieux... alone. Gabrielle dies in exile "of heartbreak and suffering" shortly after hearing the news of M-A's execution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolande_de_Polastron#Illness_and_death

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #144 on: March 16, 2014, 09:44:26 AM »
Something I didn't know about the queen and found really interesting:

http://theharlotharpsagain.blogspot.gr/2012/09/marie-antoinettes-psa-for-small-pox.html

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Inoculations have not always been popular, and we see that today with many individuals, interest groups, and protestors pointing an accusing finger at inoculations being the cause of the accelerated number of children with autism.  This skepticism of inoculations dates way, way back, but Marie Antoinette may have been the first person to launch a public relations campaign or rather a public service announcement to rally disbelieving people to take inoculations for Small Pox or what was also known as the Red Death and Speckled Monster, and she did this all using her hair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTHL6e9xta0

look at 3.05
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #145 on: March 16, 2014, 10:13:30 AM »
Marie Antoinette was also the first person to have her teeth corrected with wires - her mother made her wear wires in her teeth because they were irregular.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #146 on: May 04, 2014, 10:23:24 PM »
Marie Antoinette was tragic, but some of the blame for her fate was her own. She reminds me of Alexandria in encouraging her husband to not accept the changing politics around them and the changing role of the sovereign.

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #147 on: May 04, 2014, 11:09:05 PM »
Yes but her husband bears most of the blame. He was the one who let situation driven by itself. Napoleon once said "Had he "Louis XVI" the courage to ride to face the mob with an army, he would have won the day"...

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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #148 on: May 30, 2014, 06:02:35 AM »
Evidence has it that Marie Antoinette made crucial mistakes - whether by commission or omission - that contributed in no little terms to the decline of the monarchy... had she had the support of either the nobles or the commoners, perhaps the end wouldn't have been so bad for them. I agree that their end was tragic and she didn't deserve it. I don't agree with the excuse that she was so "sheltered", she didn't know what was happening to the French people or the country. It was more like, she didn't want to know until it was too late. Having a capricious mind and emotions didn't help either.
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Re: Queen Marie Antoinette, Part II
« Reply #149 on: May 30, 2014, 10:50:32 AM »
Makes you wonder  , where were all the loyal regiments to protect the Royal Family ?

A rabble  marched to Versailles.... the  so called  "Womens  March...."   chanting all night outside
the  palace.... A  Paris   A    Paris  ....  and the  stupid    King Louis  16th... to placate the
mob  agreed to go with them to  Paris  and  to his personal doom....

  He was obviously an idiot...  La Fayette... who was present that night  was  pathetic  too

Makes you realise  just how  degenerate  the  French  Monarchy...  the  French  Aristocracy... the  French  Military ..
really were back then.


 Imagine  the  scenario in  England... the mob  marching to    Windsor Castle   (  England's equiv of  Versailles  )   demanding  that  the  King and his family  get in a coach and return with them to London
...    I think the mob would have been cut to pieces by the Guards and a few other regiments to boot !
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