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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2004, 08:41:02 PM »
Still, a Polish factory worker knowing three languages?  Even being able to correct what mistakes people made when discribing Anastasia's childhood?  Nice mystery there....

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2004, 09:20:17 PM »
We don't know much about Franziska's life before 1920, do we? She may have learned some English in Berlin before jumping to the Landwehr Canal, and even some French. I have met waiters who speak 3 or 4 languages and can't even write properly their own. As far as I know, she was from a region where she may have heard Russian often -so she could have been able to understand the language, but not to speak it.

About correcting mistakes.... mistakes by whom? A few former retainers, officers and so, who had lost their country or their families, who could have been terribly confused themselves and who weren't really close to the real Anastasia for a long time?

I have always wondered why in 42 years no one seemed to be interested in a meeting of the claimant with Anna Vyrubova, the only survivor who had really shared the family life intimately. I think she would have been exceptionally qualified to say "she is" or "she isn't", not certainly aunt Irene -the claimant first choice....

The fact that Mrs. Tchaikovsky-Anderson never said  -not even once as far as I know-, "I want to see Anya", may mean something... If the claimant really "believed" she was Anastasia, that meeting would have been just a logical request. But she didn't asked for it.

Ms. Vyrubova didnt show either any special interest in the claimant -something quite peculiar for a person who was so close to the family.

Oh, I know Mrs Tchaikovsky wanted to meet the Dowager Empress... May be she or the people around thought Maria Fyodorovna, an aged women bearing such a tragedy, could become as confused the way GD Olga  was at some point, not having seen her niece in so many years and after what could have been a terrible ordeal. But probably they felt -in the 1920's or in the 1950's- that a meeting with Anna Vyrubova would have been an absolute fiasco for the claimant.

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2004, 10:09:59 PM »
As I have said before my Polish great-grandmother spoke four languages - unfortunately none of them was English.  Being invited to lunch was always a great mystery, we never knew what we were eating or what she was saying.  My brothers and I were always frightened of being left alone with her... she was always trying to sneak us off to church... we had never been baptised and she was determined to save our souls.

French, German, Russian and Polish - we couldn't understand any of them.  It must have been very frustrating for her.

I must say I have met many Polish factory workers that speak more than one language - I think back then you had to know at least two or three depending on where you lived and which great power was occupying you...  poor Poland!

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2004, 02:51:11 AM »
Bob,
I know the feeling !  My grandmothers spoke Russian or Greek- but NOT to us ! We never really knew what they were talking about !
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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2004, 09:12:30 AM »
My Polish factoryworker grandmother from Warsaw, born in 1890, spoke Polish, German, Yiddish and English, all fluently. Russian less fluently.

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2004, 04:06:43 PM »
Poor Poland is right!  Multi-lingual, due largely to its geographical location, but much more put upon than that other centrally located nation, Switzerland!

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2004, 10:35:14 PM »
Just my two cents on this subject. As fancinating as the Anna Anderson story/mystery is. I could never get beyond the fact that she just didn't look like Anastasia at all! No resemblance! Ears or no ears! Which brings us back to how she pulled it off for so many years, in the first place.

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2004, 01:01:26 AM »
I've always believed so many people believed AA because the idea that the entire Imperial Family was murdered was so difficult for the Russian emigre community to fathom. Denial as we now know is a necessary part of the grieving process. Peter Kurth tells us the story of Anastasia is really a story of emigres and he is right.

So, while we don't see the resemblance (no one I know does), for people who had lost their country, their leader, their homes, and most if not all their material assets - the idea of one grand duchess surviving was just too compelling to pass by.

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2004, 11:42:25 AM »
Good point, Lisa! Thank you for your insight.

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2004, 06:59:08 PM »
In the case of kidnapping or mysterious disapearance of a loved one, it is not uncommon for parents, relatives and friends to never give up hope in finding the one lost.

Did the mother of Nicholas II and the uncrown Michael ever state that she thought either son had died?

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2004, 07:09:18 PM »
A thought just poped into my head.

This would have been true of Schanzkowski  family if one of their own suddenly disapeared.  Do we know of any police reports telling us when Franziska Schanzkowski was missed?  Were there any marks of idenification for the police to notice?  

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2004, 07:42:57 PM »
She was reported to be missing at the time I do believe, in fact Franziska Schanzkowski's family members went to see if Anna Anderson was in fact the missing person they were looking for.  If I remember correctly, they quickly came to the conclusion that she was not the missing family member they were after, although they did believe at first that she did resemble her.

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2004, 08:52:37 PM »
It seems the story is more complicated than that.  have you read Robert Massie's book?

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2004, 10:26:30 PM »
I also agree with Lisa.  But how to explain the support that Gleb and Tatiana Botkin showed her?  This is one of the few reasons I reserve some skepticism re: those who say Anna Anderson isn't Anastasia!

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Re: Anastasia Claimant - Anna Anderson a.k.a Franziska Schanzkowska
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2004, 12:41:56 AM »
I've also thought the Botkins were not as close to the Imperial Family as they portrayed.  So, they may have not picked up on the differences that other people saw.

Also, they undoubtedly grieved for their father and it may have helped them better deal with their loss to think that at least Anastasia survived the murder room.