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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #360 on: March 13, 2013, 11:58:28 AM »
I wonder if Ducky's letters to her children curvive since they were not quoted or used in her biographies.

One of the areas I have been recently studying is the conncection between the early NSDAP and the White Emigre/Kirillist support in Germany, and came across this sourced passage.

I have come across a publication that claims that the White Emigre community had a great deal of antipathy in the 1920s when they "learned" of Ducky having a long term affair with Vasily Biskupsky. It is sourced from 1927. Here is the passage, with my changes to spelling of names:

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Biskupsky greatly influenced Victoria, who had a far more dynamic personality than her somewhat drab husband. Biskupsky acted as her closest advisor. Victoria ardently supported the dashing general. She granted him considerable funding for his activities in Aufbau in 1922, and she continually praised Aufbau to her husband. Biskupsky later engendered a great deal of antipathy in the German White ´emigr´e community when it became known that he had long been having an affair with Victoria and mainly owed his leading role in Kirill’s shadow government to his lover’s recommendations.

Michael Kellogg, The Russian Roots of Nazism White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 1917–1945, Cambridge, 2005.
P. 157

This is noted from the following source:

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RK¨U¨oO report from July 1927, RGVA (TsKhIDK), fond 772, opis 1, delo 91, 51.

Kellogg's work has been reviewed by peers, and is seen as a serious work on the subject. I am not yet sure what to make of this passage, as I can find few other sources concerning this and  how it relates to the previous conversation here about the split between Victoria and Kirill late in life.
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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #361 on: March 14, 2013, 12:29:50 PM »
This sounds very interesting. Although I do not think that that kind of collaboration would result om a physical affair, it might be some more in tune to an intimate friendship.  Like the kind Tsarina Alexandra had with Rasputin. That would make sense since she held Kyrill responsible for his affair and her unhappiness. Had she been unfaithful, she would have an easier time like Sisi had with Katherina Schratt.

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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #362 on: July 21, 2014, 07:48:44 AM »
Hello everyone! I am interested in aeronautics and other vehicles history. In this period I am specially intersted in the history of the Gregoire- Coanda turbine sled, that was builded for Grand Duke Kyrill. Is there a chance to have some pictures of this sled, or any reports of it? (excepting the articles and pictures from French newspapers in 1910). Are any mentions about the testing of this sled by Grand Duke Kyrill? Thank you!

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« Reply #363 on: July 21, 2014, 07:50:50 AM »
Not easily found need research into it.

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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #364 on: July 21, 2014, 08:30:29 AM »
I don't know if you know this picture, but bellow it is a shot of Grand Duke, near the turbine sled in 1910
The photo can be found on gallica website.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6915002h.r=turbine+traineau.langFR

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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #365 on: July 21, 2014, 08:55:21 PM »
Hello everyone! I am interested in aeronautics and other vehicles history. In this period I am specially intersted in the history of the Gregoire- Coanda turbine sled, that was builded for Grand Duke Kyrill. Is there a chance to have some pictures of this sled, or any reports of it? (excepting the articles and pictures from French newspapers in 1910). Are any mentions about the testing of this sled by Grand Duke Kyrill? Thank you!

After his Propulseur was displayed in Paris, Coanda was approached by Grand Duke Cyril to make a sled for the Russian royal family. The Emperor himself had several sleds, and starting in 1911, motor-sleigh races were held on the Svednaga Newka, a branch of the Newa River, and on the island of Krestowsky in the Newa, near St. Petersburg. Lacking an entry, the Grand Duke commissioned a sleigh from Franco-Romanian inventor Henri Coandã. Coanda built it immediately, with the help of a French boat manufacturer, Despujols, and the motor manufacturer Gregoire, Coandă supervised the building of a motor sled. Instead of a Clerget, he fitted it with a six-cylinder 30-HP Grégoire engine. The sled had the same inverted flower-pot front as the Propulseur plane, but the body was teardrop-shaped, with two recessed passenger seats at the rear and large snow runners underneath. One magazine wrote: "As the illustration shows, the main frame and body work, suggestive of a cucumber with one end in a tub; enclose the motor, reinforced, having two layers of material instead of one. The body of the sled is built to carry a turbine, in the specially formed funnel in the front, by which the sled is propelled. Thus, the vehicle is to be drawn, not pushed."  The sled was exhibited at the Twelfth Automobile Salon of France, also at the Grand Palais, from December 3 to 18, 1910, and was written up in leading car magazines. One of the periodicals reported an expected speed of 60 mph (97 km/h) on the frozen Seine, but no account exists of the sled being tested. It was about 13.5 ft long, and was steered with an automobile steering wheel. The sled was baptized for Cyril by Russian Orthodox priests using an improvised altar at the Despujols plant near Paris on December 2, 1910 with Grand Duchess Victoria present as shown in photos. It's not clear that Cyril’s sled ever worked--no record has been found of an actual run. The Motor (magazine) only concluded that the sled was to be sent to Russia.  It never turned up again, and certainly didn't survive the series of revolutions and wars that was to come. As for Coanda, he was no doubt a skilled aeronautical designer, and became a Romanian national hero (the airport in Bucharest is named after him).

 
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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #366 on: July 22, 2014, 02:36:36 AM »
Thank you, your description of the Coanda sled is very detailled and comprehensive.

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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #367 on: July 22, 2014, 03:10:30 AM »
"The Grand Duke's Turbo Sleigh" by David Traver Adolphus as it appeared originally in the November, 2011 issue of Hemmings Motor News with a picture of the baptizing of the sleigh:
on Hemmings.com:
http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2011/11/01/hmn_feature19.html

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« Reply #368 on: July 23, 2014, 06:33:31 AM »
Thank you rudy3, I know this article. In 2011, the pictures from this article were unknown for me and other people interested in Henri Coanda' technical work.

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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #371 on: January 16, 2015, 11:36:49 PM »
Kyril with his grandson (son of Marie).

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Re: Grand Duke Kyrill, his wife Victoria Fedorovna and children, Part II
« Reply #373 on: June 20, 2015, 01:48:24 PM »
Hello everyone. I don't know if it is proper to post here, but please see the link below for a few pictures of my model of the sled ordered by Grand Duke Kiril to Henri Coanda.
http://www.cartula.ro/forum/topic/13583-macheta-sanie-coanda-132/page__pid__203195#entry203195
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Recording of Kirill and Victoria Melita - Mémoires d'exil
« Reply #374 on: January 03, 2016, 12:23:21 PM »
Does anyone know what part of the documentary has the recording of Kirill and Ducky's voices? The video someone posted before of that part is removed and I don't speak French - it said they spoke in English. What segment of the documentary is it in?