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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2011, 10:48:54 AM »
Fantastic! Finally an ebenbürtig match! Her grandmother is a Countess Tolstoy born at Tsarskoye Selo in 1917! And her great great grandmother an Archduchess of Austria-Tuscany.

Finally the real deal after these upper-middle class misses (Mary, Maxima, Kate etc.) who neither were real princesses nor real cinderellas.  

Don´t be so harsh! Their baby will have a big nose! That´s harder than a commoner mother (I´m just kidding :) )

But you are right. It´s important for their survive, if they marry into nobility.

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 12:01:04 AM »
Rani

who is the woman in the 3 pictures on the bottom of your page?i have see her someplace ...Egypt??thanks

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 09:02:34 AM »
That´s HRH The Princess Fatma Neslişah Osmanoğlu Sultan (*1921), Imperial Princess of the Ottoman Empire and indeed a Princess of Egypt. :)

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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2011, 09:30:27 AM »
Don´t be so harsh! Their baby will have a big nose! That´s harder than a commoner mother (I´m just kidding :) )

Bien-né, mais bien nez, comme on dit en français. :-)
« Last Edit: January 25, 2011, 09:41:24 AM by Фёдор Петрович »

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2011, 09:54:18 PM »
Fantastic! Finally an ebenbürtig match! Her grandmother is a Countess Tolstoy born at Tsarskoye Selo in 1917! And her great great grandmother an Archduchess of Austria-Tuscany.

Finally the real deal after these upper-middle class misses (Mary, Maxima, Kate etc.) who neither were real princesses nor real cinderellas.  

I wonder if this "equal" match came as a result of Georg's need to fulfill the terms of Kaiser Wilhelm's will and the recent court decision to uphold it. Just follow the money.  ;)
Hey there

Would you tell me what Kaisers Wilhelms will says?

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2011, 07:32:11 AM »
He says that the bride of the heir of his fortune should be from the highest nobility,either from sovereign or from mediatized family...If that is not the case,he(the Heir) could not inherit...some of his uncles inherited only a small share due to their unequal marriages...they tried to sue,but failed,so the will of the Kaiser still stands!

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2011, 11:18:28 AM »
Correct. And it seems clear the Georg selected his bride in part to retain his fortune.

I think for pure enjoyment, fun, and a step into a true regal setting that harkens back to times when royalty reigned, the wedding of Georg and Sophie would be my selection to attend if I had one ticket for either William and Kate's or Georg and Sophie's.
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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2011, 11:21:46 AM »

BTW her great grandmother Irina Mikhailovna Rayevskaya, first married to Count Alexander Mikhailovich Tolstoy (this union having produced Princess Sophie's grandmother), secondly married the Russian Mecklenburg morganaut George, Count of Carlow. Their descendants are today the claimants to the thrones of Mecklenburg. 

It is interesting how many things genealogy can show us...

Prince Georg Friedrich is also a descendant of the Protestant branch of Ysenburg family as the great-grandmother of his mother Donata is Princess Emma von Ysenburg und Büdingen zu Büdingen,who died in 1926...

And another Princess Emma zu Ysenburg and Büdingen (1870-1944) is his ancestor. She was married to Wolfgang 1. Fürst zu Castell-Rüdenhausen.
See here for the ancestors of Georg Friedrich and Siophie uop to the VII. generation.
http://heirsofeurope.blogspot.com/2011/01/germany-prussia.html

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 05:09:37 PM »
And another Princess Emma zu Ysenburg and Büdingen (1870-1944) is his ancestor. She was married to Wolfgang 1. Fürst zu Castell-Rüdenhausen.
See here for the ancestors of Georg Friedrich and Siophie uop to the VII. generation.
http://heirsofeurope.blogspot.com/2011/01/germany-prussia.html

This Emma von Ysenburg and Büdingen(1870-1944) is also his ancestor,but this Emma is only a daughter of Countess Bertha zu Castell-Rüdenhausen and married to Otto,Count zu Solms-Laubach...she is grandmother of Donata...

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2011, 01:30:29 AM »
He says that the bride of the heir of his fortune should be from the highest nobility,either from sovereign or from mediatized family...If that is not the case,he(the Heir) could not inherit...some of his uncles inherited only a small share due to their unequal marriages...they tried to sue,but failed,so the will of the Kaiser still stands!
Is his will large in money??

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2011, 02:01:22 AM »
Is his will large in money??

One news source says 20 million €. It includes 2/3 of Hohenzollern Castle . (1/3 is owned by the Catholic, princely line of the Hohenzollerns.)

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Re: Georg Friedrich von Preussen and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2011, 08:14:11 AM »
Hohenzollern Castle:





A 1915 book estimated the collective value of Wilhelm's family at $20 billion (in today's dollars), with the annual income of Wilhelm II at $240 million.   He was shrewd in financial matters and had stocks and bonds invested all over the world, but I don't know how much of his German property he was allowed to keep?

Also the dowry of Crown Princess Cecile was $700 million and that of Prince Eitel Frederick's bride brought him $800 million (all in today's dollars). 
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2011, 08:16:53 AM »
Also the dowry of Crown Princess Cecile was $700 million and that of Prince Eitel Frederick's bride brought him $800 million (all in today's dollars).

Those figures seem wildly exaggerated.

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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2011, 11:33:48 AM »
The numbers should be able to be validated. Judgementally, though, these numbers don't seem out of line to me. Remember, in pre WWI Germany (and Russia), the monarch owned almost everything. Nicholas II was the wealthiest man in the word 100 years ago, and Wilhelm's assets and investments were not far behind.
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2011, 11:48:41 AM »
The numbers should be able to be validated. Remember, in pre WWI Germany (and Russia), the monarch owned almost everything.

That's why I didn't question those numbers, but the dowries of two brides from rather insignificant little principalities.