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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2014, 03:57:12 PM »
I am back. Ok I have a lot more information now.
Shortly I will post a photo of the Estate house that my Father was born in. It was burnt down in WW2 years due to soldiers smoking downstairs who being billeted there. The Esate house no longer exists but apparently a couple of the outbuildings do. It has a caretaker apparently, according to my Father.
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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2014, 04:00:23 PM »
From Barry Lewis - Russian translater - translation notes and his comments: (please note the first 4 lines of type are what my Father has written on the back of the photo of his Great Grandfather Estate)

Russia

Estate of Ivanovskoe of Yaroslavskaya Province

Where I was born in the room

Top right-hand window

[Translator's note: Russian Wikipedia mentions the village of Ivanovskoe (estates were usually named after villages) in Pereslavsky District, Yaroslavskaya Province. However, there appear to be two places in Yaroslavskaya Province called Ivanovskoe. Google maps shows two Ivanovskoye (note the different spelling) in Yaroslavskaya oblast (Yaroslavskaya Province). Locating places in Russia can be quite difficult, particular small places; they may have become part of a different province, their names may have changed etc. Do you have any other evidence, or the name of the district ["raion" in Russian] which might help?]

Addit: Upon asking my father to clarify, no further information was given. he closed up. Does anyone here know of this Estate and information about it. I feel its important for my family to know and for my children to know their russian roots.

« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 04:12:49 PM by missmoldavite365 »
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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2014, 04:15:44 PM »
Here is a link to my facebook account to view the photo.

Moderators :If this is not allowed please inform me and I will remove. I have had photobucket acounts before and suchlike they are NOT safe and always get hacked in to.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219440074918787&l=8448818013
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2014, 04:17:08 PM »
However, there appear to be two places in Yaroslavskaya Province called Ivanovskoe. Google maps shows two Ivanovskoye (note the different spelling)

Ivanovskoe and Ivanovskoye are both different transscription of Russian Ивановское.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 04:24:55 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2014, 04:29:58 PM »
Other information: Many years ago, in my 20's I found a member of the Shuvalov family on the internet and I emailed them, and asked them to find the oldest living member of their family and impart to them our deepest thanks, that we saluted them for helping my father.

My father said that he stayed with them after he skated across the ice to Estonia he stayed with the Shuvalov family. He also mentioned that a russian ballerina was also staying with them. He ended up working for a German shipbuilding and bridge building fiirm called H &H Eggers. I also gave them my fathers name and his address and asked them to somehow contact him.

I did not tell my father I had done this. I wanted to see if what he said was true, and if so, a lovely surprise for him and a healing of his feelings about what happened to Russia and the Russian people.

Imagine our surprise when around 6 months later, my father rang me very excited and happy to say that an unknown russian lady had knocked on his door and handed him a book from the Estate where he was born, he thought everything had been lost. It is a correctly catalogued book according to how the libray was organised in that time. It is a book about who the happiest man in russia is: The Tsar, The Archbishop or the Alcoholic.

I still did not tell my father I had done this. Some things are better left unsaid. It was lovely to see him so happy and full of joy. :)
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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2014, 04:40:48 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2014, 04:47:39 PM »
Very interesting!

If your father's family owned the estate of Ivanovskoe, you could supply their name and it will be much easier to link them to the correct village.

The Ivanovskoe located at 5648′35.98″ N and 3900′29.16″ E has only 28 inhabitants. It was given by the Boyar Nikita Romanovich Zakharyin-Yuriev (grandfather of the first Romanov tsar) to the Pereslav Fyodorovsky Monastery, which owned it untill secularisation in 1764, according to Wikipedia. Who owned it afterwards? Your ancestors?

The other Ivanovskoe in Pereslavskiy Rayon doesn't have a Wikipedia entry and is classified as a "settlement".

Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

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Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2014, 05:17:51 PM »
Here is where it gets interesting! Thank you SO much for the information!

My father goes by the surname of Usov. I asked him about why he chose this name. This is what he told me: He said that when he was working at H&H Eggers....he was working in a large building...(I think from memory its was Lizt...or somethingsounding like that)he got leave one day to be able to go and watch a movie. When he came back...all the Germans had left the town and left all the supplies. He went upstairs to the radio room and turned it on and found out that the russians and the american forces were coming.

Apparently he was under instruction as they all were, that if the other armed forces came into town the bridge was to be blown up. Father chose not to follow orders thank God.

He also found all the supplies they had left in the building...huge amounts off food and army cigarettes. he took a box of them and asked the cook (who I think might have been Anna Kozlova)...to take some of his clothes for size and to go and find a tailor to make him an austrian set of clothes complete with a hat. They were made and he he then went out in them and found the person in the town in charge of the passport section. This man apparently had a HUGE moustache. One of those ones that drop down and then curl up at the ends.

Dad explained his story about who he really was and then gave the man another name to use for his passport, He apparently explained that he wanted to go under the polish version of that name and village as it would be safer. The official  agreed to help him and also mentioned that if he had any other people who needed help to send them to him, along with any further cartons of cigarettes. He and Anna set about organising the food supplies so that people could come and have food. She was the cook apparently.


Please be aware that my father would most likely "officially" be very upset with me for discussing him and his information, yet "privately" happy that I have.  He is married to a german lady and things are difficult between us at this time. My searched for history and the truth and my way of trying to help my father have been misconstrued by some members of the family who are not as awake as others are. I would ask that people do respect his privacy and ours. I want to share information about this courageous man who has been through so much and whom, I feel would in his heart like people to know the truth without it affecting him or us adversly. I am requesting benevolent outcomes around all of this for my Father whom I care deeply about.

I will shortly post some maps of his journey during those wartime years.

Thank you for helping me,

I am so grateful. :)
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 05:30:49 PM by missmoldavite365 »
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« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2014, 05:21:27 PM »
A photo of our ancestors:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219452898250838&l=009715b905

Fathers writing on back of photo:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=219453014917493&l=393d38b5fa

These links don't open.



Hmm... ok...must be due to my privacy options on facebook....if you would like to pm me your email I will send them that way, if that is ok.
Thank you for your help, much appreciated.
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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2014, 05:25:14 PM »
Ok see your email will email you.
:) I will be back tommorrow.
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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2014, 05:31:59 PM »
Hmm... ok...must be due to my privacy options on facebook....if you would like to pm me your email I will send them that way, if that is ok.

No thanks, when I google the company your father worked for I come across a site where you have engaged in really wacko discussions about the British monarchy!
Stop with the conspiracy theories and learn Russian instead! It's just as "esoteric knowledge" as the Cosmati pavement. And much more useful. :-)

BTW I admit sonething spooky happened just as I posted this:
The movie "Knowing" was running on my TV and Professor Koestler (Nicholas Cage) delivered the lecture:

KOESTLER: But that's a nice thought, right? Everything has a purpose, an order to it, is determined. But then there's the other side
of the argument, the theory of randomness, which says it's all simply coincidence. The very fact we exist is nothing
but the result of a complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents and biological mutations. There is no grand meaning. There's no purpose.

STACEY: What about you, Professor Koestler?

- What?
- Well, what do you believe?

- I think shit just happens. But that's me. Class dismissed.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 05:38:43 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 05:46:22 PM »
I appreciate your honesty and how you feel. I am learning russian. And the reasons I feel about the British Monarchy are very personal, due to the way me and my family members have been treated by them and stalked in the past and also by the doctors in the UK  investigating our DNA. I am pleased to say that the negative attitude from them has finally stopped and they have come on board. This is not about conspiracy. This is about Truth. If take the time you will see that I am no longer part of the site you have discussed. It was too negative, and so was I at the time.

This research I am doing here regarding my russian roots is about the truth about and nothing else but that.

Kind Regards


LOL I just read your above post. Synchronicity perhaps?

:)

« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 05:49:09 PM by missmoldavite365 »
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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2014, 05:47:53 PM »
You believe Remagen is in Austria and the Russians advanced to the Rhine..... Either you are confusing WW2 with the Napoleonic Wars or you are nuts.....

Stalked by the British RF? Ever considered that they consider themselves stalked by thousands of nutters?
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 05:49:31 PM by Превед »
Берёзы севера мне милы,
Их грустный, опущённый вид,
Как речь безмолвная могилы,
Горячку сердца холодит.

(Афанасий Фет: Ивы и берёзы, 1843 / 1856)

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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2014, 05:51:35 PM »
Honestly all I know is what my Father has told me....again as I mentioned the name of the Austrian town was unclear...you must remember thayt my father IS very old...and I am going off what HE told me...I will contact my brother and do a double check ok....I may have the name of the town incorrect..back later!
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