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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna - Marga Boodts
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2006, 11:19:36 AM »
Yes, like attracts like, I guess, although it is rather sad, about these claimants recognizing one another. One wishes that they had recognized themselves for what they were, which was as deluded imposters, and individuals who needed help, in many cases. It is funny- I find the more silly claimants hilarious, and whenever I read about them I am laughing. Magda or Marga was never taken seriously, I guess, but what exactly were the premises of her claim? I don't believe in her, but I was just curious what her '' Olga escape story'' was-it probably didn't make sense, but what was it?

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2006, 11:26:01 AM »
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"A woman calling herself Grand Duchess Olga was living from the twenties in various parts of Europe and in 1939 she settled in nortern Italy under the name of Marga Boodts. she said she was rescued by a loyal officer and then taken to Vladivostok,across China and on by sea to Hamburg,Germany.She was then recognized,she claimed, by the exiled Kaiser Wilhelm,who assured her financial independence during his lifetime. Later on her fortune foundered, but she had an enduring supporter in the shape of prince Sigismund of Prussia,the Kaiser´s nephew and first cousin of the real Grand Duchess Olga. In an interview at his home in Costa Rica in 1974 Prince Sigismund confirmed that he was still convinced of "Olga´s" authenticity. He had met her and said: "We spoke of so many familiar matters that an outsider could not have known about,because they were things that had happened between us two." When we visited Mrs Boodts at her Italian home in 1975 she declined to speak about herself or past events. nothing at all emerged during the to support the notion that she was either the Grand Duchess Olga or even a Romanov."  
This is a quotation from "The file on the Tsar" by Mangold and Summers.  It seems that this woman got some support and was taken seriously by some people.  After Prince Sigismund  recognized her in 1957 he introduced her to the hereditary grand Duke of Oldenburg who was a godson of the tsar. He took a keen interest and supplied her with funds until his death in 1970.  It seems that Marga Boodts lived a very withdrawn life and avoided publicity. I haven´t seen a photo of her and it seems very little has been written about her. It would be interesting if anybody had any more information on her.  She was certainly one of the more intersting claimants.
   

p. 192 Summers and Mangold's book THE FILE ON THE TSAR.


In their notes on p. 374 they tell their source:  "Mrs Boodts claims the Kaiser asked Frau von Schevenbach, the daughter of a friend, to look after her.  This arrangement was interrupted by the war in 1939, and "Olga" was in penury after Frau von Schevenbach's death.  After prince Sigismund reconized her in 1957, he introduced her to the Hereditary Grand Duke of Oldenburg, a godson of the tsar.  He took a keen interst and supplied Mrs. Boodts with funds until his own death in 1970."

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According to Prince Alfred of Prussia, who is Prince Sigismund's son, his father never met any of the claimants. He was asked to write to Boodts and to AA, and to pose questions to them which he felt only the grand duchesses would know the answers. I didn't ask him about Boodts, but apparently Anderson's answers were correct. However, there was no "recognition" as Sigismund never actually met them.

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna - Marga Boodts
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2006, 02:46:10 PM »

Perhaps the word "recongnition" was not face to face meeting but through letters of question and answers.

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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2008, 11:11:09 AM »
This is what was on Wikipedia about her:

Marga Boodts, (died 1976), claimed to be Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna of Russia. Boodts lived in a villa at Lake Como in Italy. Money supporting her was said to come from the Pope and Kaiser Wilhelm.[1] Olga's first cousin, Prince Sigismund of Prussia, was convinced of the authenticity of Boodts' claim. He introduced her to the Prince of Oldenburg, a Godson of the Kaiser, who lent her financial support. Most historians do not accept her claim.[2] Michel Wartelle a french canadian historian wrote a book including new testimonies from high rank people that Marga Boodts was really the Grand-Duchess Olga Nicolaievna, L'Affaire Romanov ou le mystère de la maison Ipatiev, Louise Courteau, Quebec, Canada,2008.
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 07:17:55 PM »
This is what was on Wikipedia about her:

Marga Boodts, (died 1976), claimed to be Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna of Russia. Boodts lived in a villa at Lake Como in Italy. Money supporting her was said to come from the Pope and Kaiser Wilhelm.[1] Olga's first cousin, Prince Sigismund of Prussia, was convinced of the authenticity of Boodts' claim. He introduced her to the Prince of Oldenburg, a Godson of the Kaiser, who lent her financial support. Most historians do not accept her claim.[2] Michel Wartelle a french canadian historian wrote a book including new testimonies from high rank people that Marga Boodts was really the Grand-Duchess Olga Nicolaievna, L'Affaire Romanov ou le mystère de la maison Ipatiev, Louise Courteau, Quebec, Canada,2008.

Believe who you will. Prince Sigismund's son, Alfred says that his father never met either woman. Having never met them, he was in no position to introduce either one to anyone.

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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2009, 08:45:45 AM »
Marga Boots is fat!

Her name is Boodts... ;) And I agree, she was quite a ridiculous claim.

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2012, 04:18:48 PM »
Expect not to cause problems at seeing that the thread is devoted only to Margda Boodts, I was checking on the Russian verssion of wikipedia about the Romanov claimants and I found several unknow "Olgas" to me, I don't remember none of them:

1) Konchetta Fedele. She died in Argentina. There's no real proof that she herself declared that was Olga although her children returned to their "true name". As their major proof  many of her followers say that in her photos she looks totally like the Grand Duchess Olga (I expect to see a few). Her verssion of the "escape" was that many of the members of the IF were able to travel to Poland and then to Germany, all this as result of a "secret threaty" between the Sovietic government and the Kaiser Wilhelm II.

2) Olga Andromeda (aka - Olga Romanov Andromed Gellar) Who's she?!? Any information is welcome!  ;)

3) Sarah Osbourne... again, who's she??

Sorry for the bad translation, I had to use google translator from Russian to understand it!!  :-[

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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2012, 10:37:20 AM »
Hi guys!

I've recently come across a *new* Olga claimant. A man on a Romanov Facebook page claims that the massacre at Yekaterinburg was staged and the entire family made it out of the country and settled in a plush estate in Poland. The whole thing was a cover-up which the governments of Japan, America and Britain were in on. I'll copy/paste the whole story he told me later. Anyway, "Olga Nikolaievna" (Nicholas II's oldest daughter)  apparently wrote her autobiography in Italy in 1955 and it is now being published but not in English. Just want to know your thoughts on this story. Cheers, guys!

Link to the Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Am-Alive-Estoy-Viva-The-unpublished-memoirs-of-the-last-Romanov/278177712297249

Link to the book's Amazon page: http://www.amazon.es/Estoy-viva-memorias-in%C3%A9ditas-Romanov/dp/8427038968

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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2012, 04:50:15 PM »
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I've recently come across a *new* Olga claimant. A man on a Romanov Facebook page claims that the massacre at Yekaterinburg was staged and the entire family made it out of the country and settled in a plush estate in Poland. The whole thing was a cover-up which the governments of Japan, America and Britain were in on. I'll copy/paste the whole story he told me later. Anyway, "Olga Nikolaievna" (Nicholas II's oldest daughter)  apparently wrote her autobiography in Italy in 1955 and it is now being published but not in English. Just want to know your thoughts on this story

If this guy really believes this, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to him...

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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2012, 02:58:02 AM »
Here's the story, Tim.

"The rest of the family were taken to Perm, the evening before the staged massacre. The Tsar had been taken before that night, and informed his wife and family that "They are going to kill me". Not in a physical sense, however, but to publish in the media that he was dead. Baroness Buxhoeveden (lady in waiting to the Tsarina) was there, disguised as a nurse. She knew. The commissar was an American Agent. Read "Yankee Commissar", by Serguis Riis.There were many initiatives made by Germany to Russia and the newly formed Kerensky government as well as the government of Lenin. Other books and a documentary is coming out from England which will further help younger people interested in this period in history. Specifically the Imperial Russian period.

The Tsarevich received a heavy sword blow to the skull which caused a permanent indentation to the skull and scar to his temple. The skull bones found at the so called investigation sight did not have a skull that resembled the Tsar's permanent injury. If one goes to the bottom of the page, there are additional references that further clarify the results as being inconclusive. Dr. Nagi or Dr. Maples as well as the Russian Orthodox Church denounce the scientific examinations and DNA tests as evidence, for it too was compromised. Nicholas could not be formally identified, he escaped to China, he lived in Poland on a very large estate. President Franklin D. Roosevelt was aware of his residency and existence there. Our research and investigation team found the bodies and ashes of three of the daughters, Olga, Maria, and Anastasia. They were not in Russia!

If you read, "Rescuing The Czar", by James P. Smythe, A.M., PhD. (1920) Two diaries identify the successful covert operation to rescue the family through channels of the Kaisier Wilhelm II, and The Vatcian. This book was actually pulled from retail shelves by order of then President Woodrow Wilson in 1920. The first diary was written by the American Agent, Serguis Riis, who was known as "Fox". I have both met and interviewed his son on numerous occasions.. I have several documents he gave me, which includes formal invitation by George V and his wife to attend a reception at Buckingham Palace in his honor. His diary identifies visiting with the family privately, 'bouncing' "Lillybet" (Queen Elizabeth II) on his lap before her bedtime. She gives him a kiss on the cheek. If you truly wish to know anything about the operation that successfully took the Imperial family out of Russia, you need to read the 1920 version of what happened. It is paramount to comprehend this. Without it you will truly be lost in the bowels of the propaganda of the period that allowed the family to vanish.

Serguis Riis, wrote the book, "Yankee Commissar", which identifies his infiltration into the Ipatiev House where he instruct 'Prisoner Romanov' and his family on the operation planned for their rescue, the night before the so called murder is scheduled. There is also additional evidence that clearly authenticates donations to the secret covert operation headed by Kaiser Wilhelm II and The Vatican. They were already away from Russia as these funds in Silver were pouring in. I have documentation that shows $75,000 contributed by the Taisho Emperor of Japan and $50,000 by Emperor Pu Yi of China. We also know that there were support teams in place while traveling through Tibet, ordered by the Thirteenth Dalai Lama. I have various U.S. Department of State documents released to me from F.O.I.A. requests which provide extensive detail of the cabinet of then President Woodrow Wilson giving the order to mine as much silver as possible, and have it shipped to Russia for financing the operation. As a matter of fact, the Captain of the Presidential Yacht, was one of the lead agents sent over by The President.

The largest Sunday magazine in Spain will be publishing the books formal release tomorrow. The magazine is like that of Parade Magazine in the USA. I should receive a scanned copy of this by Monday. I will post it here. I have also posted last weeks recent news media from Patriarch Kirill who states the ROC will be making a new statement with regard to their stand on the bones which they do not believe are the Imperial Family. This news he sates come from the headquarters of ROCOR in New York. I do know that a New York publishing firm is looking at contracting the book: "Estoy Viva: Memorias de ultima Romanov" in English. This will be the third such translation from its original German autobiography, not Belgian as so called historians have stated on Wiki."

Thoughts on this, guys?

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Re: Claimant of Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna - Marga Boodts
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2012, 09:44:54 AM »
My first question would be. When did this agent visit King George V and his family?  Queen Elizabeth II was born in 1927 and would not have been "bounce -able" for at least a year after that.

Also Queen Elizabeth's father was Prince Albert the second son of King George V and why would there be no mention of Prince David, the future King Edward VIII?

Next, I own two copies of The Hunt For the Czar by Guy Richards and a lot of the information in it is quite hard to believe. I read it first in the 1970s and then reread it about 25 years later.

There was a poster here on the forum in the past who knew Guy Richards and she and her family had dinner with him on occasion. I seem to remember that she thought he was a "good story teller".

I do wonder when Grand Duchess Olga learned to read and write in Italian? She could barely read and write in Russian and German and English which were the three prime languages of her family and then there was French, the language of the court.

And you may have made an error in posting, but if the Tsarevich had received a blow to the head from the broadside of a sword, it would have killed him. If you posted wrong and meant the Tsar, then he already had a blow to the head from his trip to Japan in 1890 and should have had a crease in his skull from that.

But, please, post more. This sub forum is called The Myths and Legends of Survivors, so it would be interesting to hear more of this story and see where you are taking us.

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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2012, 10:01:14 AM »
People people people. PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF DNA TESTING!

"the DNA was too compromised" is the clue to this entire HOAX. 

It is IMPOSSIBLE to manipulate PCR testing of DNA to achieve a desired result. 100%.

The DNA sequenced by Dr. Gill, Melton et all TWICE, by five separate labs each time (a total of TEN times!) produced 100% IDENTICAL RESULTS.

The 100% Identical results:  Two older humans, one male, one female.  The male: 100% IDENTICAL match to Grand Duke George Alexandrovich (Nicholas II's brother) including a UNIQUE haplytype mutation.  The female: 100% match to the Queen Victoria line of descent and to HH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, establishing without question it was Alexandra Feodorovna.

FIVE SEPARATE CHILDREN. Four female, one adolescent male.  EACH showing 100% sibling genetic relationship to each other. EACH showing 100% as children of the above male and female.  The adolescent male also shows the distinct marker for hemophilia!

As I wrote elsewhere, As Dr. Teri Melton said to me personally "They can re test all they want. The results will always be the same. The tests will never be less conclusive, but can only become more conclusive as more loci are tested."


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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2012, 11:15:07 AM »
My first question would be. When did this agent visit King George V and his family?  Queen Elizabeth II was born in 1927 and would not have been "bounce -able" for at least a year after that.

Also Queen Elizabeth's father was Prince Albert the second son of King George V and why would there be no mention of Prince David, the future King Edward VIII?

Next, I own two copies of The Hunt For the Czar by Guy Richards and a lot of the information in it is quite hard to believe. I read it first in the 1970s and then reread it about 25 years later.

There was a poster here on the forum in the past who knew Guy Richards and she and her family had dinner with him on occasion. I seem to remember that she thought he was a "good story teller

I do wonder when Grand Duchess Olga learned to read and write in Italian? She could barely read and write in Russian and German and English which were the three prime languages of her family and then there was French, the language of the court.

And you may have made an error in posting, but if the Tsarevich had received a blow to the head from the broadside of a sword, it would have killed him. If you posted wrong and meant the Tsar, then he already had a blow to the head from his trip to Japan in 1890 and should have had a crease in his skull from that.

But, please, post more. This sub forum is called The Myths and Legends of Survivors, so it would be interesting to hear more of this story and see where you are taking us.

Hi Alixz! May I first put say that I believe this story is just as false as you do. It is riddled with errors and if such a huge operation then it documents MUST have been in the Russian State Archives. Also, Dr. Maples never said that the remains weren't authentic. He may have questioned the way in which they were tested, but he was a firm believer that all the children, including Anastasia died. He even went as far as pointing to the skeletons and saying whom each belonged to. As for the Orthodox Church, they too believe that the entire family was killed as they celebrate their feast day on July 17th. The only thing they dispute is the remains, but that doesn't mean they don't think they weren't killed that night.
Numerous Romanov biographers have had access to these state archives and they all point towards the fact that the entire family was killed. It would have come out long before now. Also, I simply copy/pasted what the guy told on Facebook. He claims that the because the blood stains from the Otsu incident didn't match Nicholas' skeleton it wasn't him, when the results for that test were inconclusive. It didn't mean to say that the blood didn't belong to Nicholas. The DNA from the shirt became too contaminated to analyse. I'll definitely post more of what he's gone around telling people. People are actually starting to believe it which is slightly worrying, but nonetheless, people always while believe in stuff like this.
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2012, 11:20:15 AM »
My first question would be. When did this agent visit King George V and his family?  Queen Elizabeth II was born in 1927 and would not have been "bounce -able" for at least a year after that.

Also Queen Elizabeth's father was Prince Albert the second son of King George V and why would there be no mention of Prince David, the future King Edward VIII?

Next, I own two copies of The Hunt For the Czar by Guy Richards and a lot of the information in it is quite hard to believe. I read it first in the 1970s and then reread it about 25 years later.

There was a poster here on the forum in the past who knew Guy Richards and she and her family had dinner with him on occasion. I seem to remember that she thought he was a "good story teller".


I do wonder when Grand Duchess Olga learned to read and write in Italian? She could barely read and write in Russian and German and English which were the three prime languages of her family and then there was French, the language of the court.

And you may have made an error in posting, but if the Tsarevich had received a blow to the head from the broadside of a sword, it would have killed him. If you posted wrong and meant the Tsar, then he already had a blow to the head from his trip to Japan in 1890 and should have had a crease in his skull from that.

But, please, post more. This sub forum is called The Myths and Legends of Survivors, so it would be interesting to hear more of this story and see where you are taking us.




Yes, Alixz, after re-reading my original post I believe the man was talking about Tsar when mentioning the sword blow to the forehead. He says the sword caused permanent damage to his skull, none of which were found on his skeleton. I've never read anywhere that Nicholas' skull suffered permanent damage, but I know he had ha scar of about 9 inches for the rest of his life after the incident.

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2012, 11:31:00 AM »
People people people. PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF DNA TESTING!

"the DNA was too compromised" is the clue to this entire HOAX. 

It is IMPOSSIBLE to manipulate PCR testing of DNA to achieve a desired result. 100%.

The DNA sequenced by Dr. Gill, Melton et all TWICE, by five separate labs each time (a total of TEN times!) produced 100% IDENTICAL RESULTS.

The 100% Identical results:  Two older humans, one male, one female.  The male: 100% IDENTICAL match to Grand Duke George Alexandrovich (Nicholas II's brother) including a UNIQUE haplytype mutation.  The female: 100% match to the Queen Victoria line of descent and to HH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, establishing without question it was Alexandra Feodorovna.



FIVE SEPARATE CHILDREN. Four female, one adolescent male.  EACH showing 100% sibling genetic relationship to each other. EACH showing 100% as children of the above male and female.  The adolescent male also shows the distinct marker for hemophilia!

As I wrote elsewhere, As Dr. Teri Melton said to me personally "They can re test all they want. The results will always be the same. The tests will never be less conclusive, but can only become more conclusive as more loci are tested."



After watching 'Forensic Detectives' 1,000,000 times (it really is very good!) I'm willing to accept the DNA results as nothing but FACT.  When discussing with the man in question I always bring up the issue of DNA but he dismisses it as 'compromised'. Not good enough at all. He never says WHERE the DNA was compromised or WHO's idea it was to tamper with the results. By the time the skeletons had been unearthed, the Russians had no need to cover up the crime anymore. The people who did it were long dead and the glasnost wanted to see the end of the Soviet Union period.

As for the five children being conclusively identified, one of the girls was also tested to be a heamophillia carrier. It was either the Grand Duchess found in the 2007 grave, or the youngest girl identified in 1991 (I can't remember which!), so it really was either Maria or Anastastia.

But yeah, I never knew that it was impossible to manipulate PCR testing. Thanks for that info!