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Alixz

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 09:32:15 AM »
I guess that is me - the old "spiral down" of the family.

I actually grew up with my paternal line telling me that we were descended from German Royalty.  I may have found a connection to Hesse through those soldiers who came to the US with Baron von Steuben during the revolution, but I doubt that they were more than the regular lowly Hessian soldiers.

I have found several Jaegers (translates to Hunters) who were accepted as citizens of the state of New Jersey in the 1790s and they are Hessian.  They must have stayed around after Valley Forge 1777-1778 and crossed over into New Jersey and took up residence there.

Hey!  (Just kidding) maybe I am related to the Romanovs after all.  I might be related (on the Hessian side) to Empress Marie who was Nicholas II's grandmother!  Which would mean that I could also be related to Alexandra through her father!!!   (As I said, Just Kidding!)

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 09:38:59 AM »
I actually grew up with my paternal line telling me that we were descended from German Royalty.

Obviously the people who told you this had no idea about how endogamic Ebenbürtigkeit made this group!

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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 09:44:06 AM »
Enlighten me, Please!

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 09:53:22 AM »
Enlighten me, Please!

Since the Reformation, when the keeping of records for normal folks started, German royals (i.e. members of immediate imperial families) have, with few exceptions, only married other German or foreign royals.

People are far more likely to be a descendant of Edward Longshanks than a Landgrave of Hesse. Not only because King Edward lived a few centuries earlier and thus has more descendants than most Hessian landgraves, but also because his children married into the nobility, his grandchildren into the gentry etc., while nearly all children and grandchildren of Landgraves of Hesse married other German royals. Even a daughter of a Landgrave marrying an untitled nobleman would be an exception. It was a very closed caste.

Yes, even the strict ebenbürtige Landgraves fathered bastards and morganauts, but they (at least the proven ones) are not as plentiful as people like to imagine and were usually integrated into the non-immediate nobility, which was almost as endogamic as the royals.

A phenomena like the Romanovs, i.e. somebody becoming monarch without their paternal ancestors having been princes since times immemorial, was simply not possible in Germany. Who and what were the ancestors of the Romanovs in the 15th, 14th and 13th century? We have no idea! But we know exactly who and what the Landgraves of Hesse were in those centuries and who they married. And that was not commoners!
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Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 10:56:53 AM »
But really, what does it matter if one's ancestors were landgravial or not, when one has the privilege to hail from the fairytale land of the Brothers Grimm: beautiful Hesse.
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Alixz

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 11:10:08 AM »
I did say that I was kidding!

Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 11:17:30 AM »
I did say that I was kidding!

I know you were not claiming to be related to the Romanovs through the Landgraves of Hesse, but we need to stress the fact that it's likely a lot of us are descended from Rurik, Charlemagne or Edward Longshanks, while the chance that any of us is descended from the Landgraves of Hesse is extremely small.

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 02:11:49 PM »
It's interesting to imagine that all of us could be related to royalty somewhere in our family tree - although it's hard to believe in my family!

Unfortunately for YouTube guy, there is conclusive evidence that Nicholas II, Alexandra, and ALL of their 5 children were executed in 1918 so there is NO possibility of any direct descendents from the Russian imperial family. (Unless one of the Grand Duchesses had a child that nobody knows about? Or Alexei was faking his hemophilia to divert attention from his participation in Rasputin's orgies???)

According to his DNA video, YouTube guy is convinced that Anastasia was his great grandmother and has absolutely no interest in any evidence to the contrary. The grandparents that he claims were present at the signing of the Declaration of Independence (from the video about his wife) must have been from another branch of his family!

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 02:17:40 PM »
I guess most of us know that Wilhelm I of Prussia needed some convincing in order to accept Auguste Victoria of Schleswig-Holstein as ebenbürtig bride for his grandson. due to her grandmother being a mere Countess Danneskiold-Samsøe. Even more interesting is that this countess's father, although an admiral and son of another admiral, had a bourgeois mother called Mette Mathisen, who although the widow of a major, was the daughter of a mere church deacon.

The haughty German Empress's great great grandmother was the daughter of a bourgeois church deacon! That is more shocking than Alixz being a descendant of King Edward I!

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2011, 03:32:52 PM »
youtube guy just sent me an email via youtube simple saying "TRUTH", linked to a video about nastya not even the video we're talking about. i was actually like what the hell? when i said i don't even know what you're talking about he was like, well i'm simply trying to tell you that all of the evidence that the bodies have been found are 100% fake. i seriously have no idea why he sent me the message....i've never commented on one of his videos or talked to him etc. only knew who he was because i read this thread a few days ago.

i replied but didn't even bother arguing. if you're that delusional its utterly pointless.

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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2011, 11:03:17 PM »
From what I've seen, his only "evidence" for being related to Anastasia is his claim that facial markers on the grand duchesses match marks on the faces of his ancestors. He's comparing blurred colour photographs to approximately 100-year-old black & white photographs of the imperial family. I have no idea how he can tell whether these markings were actually present on the skins of these people or whether they are just photographic imperfections. I can't even see some of the markings. He also ignores marks that do not appear on both the B&W and colour photos.

I'm utterly amazed that anyone thinks they can refute decades of research by reputable scientists and historians with ridiculous "evidence" like this. And he's publishing it on mass media. Unbelievable!

Since he represents himself as believing in God, I asked him what God would think of him manufacturing evidence to exalt himself and discredit reputable scientists. His only answer was to block me from sending him messages or posting on his YouTube site. Maybe he meant to send your message to me, TunaEars.

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2011, 02:52:18 AM »
also his basis of people actually listening are those who WANT to believe what they're being told. sure, its nice to think that they weren't all massacred, but i don't know many caught up in that fantasy enough to try and disprove years of forensice evuidence. the fact that he blocked you probably shows the strength of his story . likewise, i couldn't even see some of the facial marks.  i'd be interested to know if the guy is actually delusional and believes what hes saying or just trying to exploit a year old murder.

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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2011, 09:56:55 AM »
Hi,

Well, my father looked a lot like Clark Gable, especially as he got older;  but I don't claim that Gable was my 'grandfather'!!!
Really, a lot of people have similar characteristics and resemble each other.  I've noticed that more & more over the years.  After all, we're all human beings and centuries ago, we must all have common ancestors...
And, since we supposedly all came from the sea, then perhaps that barricuda in the Caribbean is your great grandmother!!!!

Just a little levity for this very strange thread...

Larry

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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2011, 10:23:55 AM »
Larry - My father in law looks a lot like Anthony Quinn.  My father in law is Italian and Anthony Quinn is Mexican.  Quinn's real name is:

Antonio Rudolfo Oaxaca Quinn.

My father in law doesn't claim to be related to Quinn, he only wishes that he had Quinn's money.

Actually on the other hand, my own father looked a lot like Orson Wells.  So much so that when we moved into a new house once, the woman next door almost fainted.  She actually thought that Orson Wells had moved into her neighborhood! (My mother could never see the resemblance, but I can.)

I truly believe that all facial characteristics are repeated and repeated over the generations.  Just go back 12 generations on one line of any family and you will find 4096 ancestors.  But that is only one line and we all have dozens of lines from each of the original two parents.

By the way, and this IS true.  Twelve generations back, I am descended from Edmund Lewis of Wales (1601- 1650).  He had quite a few children but among them he had two sons Benjamin and James.  

I am descended from James.  

Lucille Ball is descended from Benjamin.

Yep, that is right.  Lucille Ball is my tenth cousin.  What a Kick!
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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2011, 10:37:12 AM »
That is funny Larry. In my own experience, back in LA years ago,  people thought I was related- a twin- to a rather famous or I should say notorious person in the news. I did not even know who he was until  someone clued me in. I actually met him once, before the police got to him. That was like meeting my twin, I had to admit.  My close friends knew it was not true, but it certainly turned heads amongst the casual /bar buddies.. I even had to convince the police we were not related. [someone gave them my name. I even wrote to him for a while when he went to San Quinton prison. But that was  30 years+ ago.
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