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Offline brnbg aka: liljones1968

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Help ID-ing various rooms
« on: January 04, 2005, 09:42:28 PM »
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There hasn't been any response to this request, and I too would love to get a better sense of exactly where these rooms are located.  The State Museum 'Tzarskoje Selo'  has a numbered floorplan of the entire Alexander Palace and it would be great if one of the palace historians could identify where these rooms are on the plan.  Thanks so much.


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can anyone identify the function/designation for the rooms in the right wing?   the color-code has identified who occupied which space.... but it would be fantastic to know which room was A III's study, etc.    A III & MF seem to have occupied a large number of rooms (then again, so did N II & AF!), it would be really interesting to know what they were.    

specifically, rooms 18 thru 56

CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP IN IDENTIFYING THESE ROOMS?


i know someone out there has to know....
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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2005, 11:30:53 PM »
You might enjoy this site:

http://historichouses.simshost.com/page56.htm

Of course the designer played around a bit for space sake (he notes what) but there is a note that the rooms of AIII and MF were closed during the reign of N&A. It's pretty cool to see some of the rooms laid out though I won't vouch for the authenticity--I just thinks it's interesting to see.
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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 01:48:46 PM »
Hi Brian!

As far as I know room 29 is the bedroom of Maria Fedorovna and Alexander III, room 33 is the Blue budoir, room 31 is a passage room, room 32 is Alexandra Nikolaevna's memorial chapel, room 44 is the stag chamber (and to my opinion former bedroom of two Veliky Kniaz, but I do not remember exactly, anyway they were two children of Nikolaj I. Look at the book with the watercolors, the French one, I mean)
and or room 38 or 39 is the study of Alexander III.

Room 18 is the so-called bathroom of Alexandra Fedorovna and room 19 is the white hall.

Hope to be useful. And forgive me if I made mistakes.

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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2005, 03:45:13 PM »
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 Look at the book with the watercolors, the French one, I mean  



actually, i don't have have that book.   and i've either never seen it, or (if it's part of the boxed set), i've only seen it once for about 15 minutes 3 years ago.     if it has a plan/s, could you send it to me? (the plan, not the book! ;) )    i just want to see how it compares to what i've got already....
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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 02:21:48 PM »
The book I am referring to, is Imperial Palaces in the Vicinity of St. Petersburg
by Emmanuel Ducamp, Ivan Petrovich Sautov, N. S. Tretiakov

they are four volumes (one for each summer palace),
one volume is on Tsarskoe Selo (but there are no plans).

I thought you had them already becouse I saw the watercolors you sent about Gatchina, and some of the Cathrine palace.

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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2005, 02:00:04 AM »
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The book I am referring to, is Imperial Palaces in the Vicinity of St. Petersburg
by Emmanuel Ducamp, Ivan Petrovich Sautov, N. S. Tretiakov

they are four volumes (one for each summer palace),
one volume is on Tsarskoe Selo (but there are no plans).

I thought you had them already becouse I saw the watercolors you sent about Gatchina, and some of the Cathrine palace.

bye


that's the one i thought you were talking about :)    but, nope, i don't have the set.....i've collected the watercolors (in various forms) for a really long time (but, i must admit, the advent of the internet/www helped alot!)  ;)
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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2005, 01:20:39 PM »
In a previous post I wrote that the stag chamber of Alexander III http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/stag.html
is the former bedroom of two Grand Dukes, sons of Nicholas I.
I have no "evidences" but the watercolur I am posting.
I'd like to ask Mr. Bob Atchison if He agree with me or not and what He thinks of this....

many thanks in advance




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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2005, 12:59:41 PM »
Thanks Joanna,
These are the same things I noted.

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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2005, 12:52:34 PM »
I have heard that the Jacaranda Room was #19, ruined in the war, also #18 was traditionally a display room for the personal tapestries of Catherine II, though I think the chamber was assumed by G.D. Elizabeth before the Revoltution of 1905. #33 was traditionally a grand Dining Chamber, though it was not used as such in the last reign.  I was at the Palace two years ago and noticed that windows of the Right Hand wing of the palace, that formerly occupied by Emperor Alexander III, were obscured as if they had not been cleaning in many years.  Much of the palace appeared derelict.    

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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2005, 11:33:23 PM »
Jacaranda refers to a Japanese style

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Re: a plea for room identification...
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2005, 03:15:14 PM »
My understanding is that the Jacaranda room was so named for the marvelous wood from South American that was used for the walls and doors.  I believe it was gutted during the war and used for fire-wood!
Incidentally, I was at the palace a couple of years ago and noticed that at least one of the marvelous mahoghany bookcase that once lined one of the libraries (I think the Smaller libary) had been restored or entirely refabricated.  These were rather simple in the best Russian Classic style, but extraordinary for size and quality of material.  

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Is this the playroom?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2006, 09:05:14 AM »
Does anyone know which room this was taken in? I'm assuming it's on the children's floor, but I can't make out the frieze well enough to decide which room.



My best guess is the playroom, judging by the position of the frieze in relation to the doorway.
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Re: Is this the playroom?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2006, 09:14:56 AM »
Yes Sarushka, you are right.  It is the playroom upstairs. :)

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Re: Is this the playroom?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2006, 12:09:10 PM »
Thank you, pers.

Two more questions, then:

1. Is the doorway on the right-hand side of the photo of Alix & Aleksei the same doorway on the left-hand side of this photo of the playroom?

2. Also in the photo above, what are the railings/banisters in the foreground for?
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Re: Is this the playroom?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2006, 01:01:53 PM »
It looks like the door to the girls' rooms, and I think it is a "cozy corner where the railings and bannisters are.