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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 08:31:16 AM »
But you should know, that after WWI, the Allied Powers hated all "Prussian" things.. may this was the fact that the new government decided to take an austrian composer - and the history conection was also there in former holy roman empire...with Austria as leading power...until 1804


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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 04:19:50 PM »
There is a very nice version played at the end of the third Sissi moive, "Sissi, Schicksalsjahre Einer Kaiserin" you can watch it below:

Part 11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp44jEV3nK0&feature=related

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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 05:41:22 AM »
honey im talking about this one not about god save the queen or another on who's iddentical...

its ok other lyrics you know but when i first noticed it that they had the same music.. thats stupid..i thought people (singers/artists)today couldnt make their own music cause they are always covering old songs..or use the music of the old song and put another lyric in it.. thats what i hate about it..like they ain't got brains to think/make their own songs..

Anyway lets close this subject i asked for opinions(your own thought about those anthems) not for other stuff like and this anthem and this and this or this or that or blablabla...



First I'm NOT YOUR HONEY....


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of course the lyrics are changed...but the music is the same. and this is NOT stupis as you say... when you chose an austrian nick-name you should know that the imperial austrian anthem is by hadyn and know used in Germany..

and it's the same with "gstq/gstk" wich was the FIRST Anthem and later used in 80(!) (Prussia/Germany (Heil dir im Siegerkranz), Russia, Lichtenstein, Norway etc etc) countries - not only members of the british empire...here for example lichenstein...

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7r2fZz_BI

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I'm not a lawer but, I supose its possible to use medoldies - also for "pop" songs etc when there is no copyright - or noone bought the rights an this music, or the composer is death


Oh sorry i was just being NICE HONEY!!

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u say what i say.. and if i think its stupid its stupid..cause its mine opinion..and when i asked your opinion i didnt ask for a why its is or how its is i just ask nice not nice.. 2 simple answers ;)
Oh and i know it was made by haydn and if i didn't know it was now the german anthem..why should i open this subject?  a bit dumb don't u think
and who say's my name is a austrian name? maybe my own real name is sisi..you dont know.. its a name thats used on the whole world and is not only austrian..maybe it should be bavarian..because there is where "sisi" came from...;)


and don't try to be a law-man..your bad in it.. im not talking about copyright of pop songs..im talking how stupid people are to "cover" a song from someone..(even if there is no copyright..and if someone sings it first it belongs to the one who sang it first..) its stupid cause that proofs they aint got a brain to think and make an own song..
OH BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION


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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 09:57:15 AM »
honey im talking about this one not about god save the queen or another on who's iddentical...

its ok other lyrics you know but when i first noticed it that they had the same music.. thats stupid..i thought people (singers/artists)today couldnt make their own music cause they are always covering old songs..or use the music of the old song and put another lyric in it.. thats what i hate about it..like they ain't got brains to think/make their own songs..

Anyway lets close this subject i asked for opinions(your own thought about those anthems) not for other stuff like and this anthem and this and this or this or that or blablabla...



First I'm NOT YOUR HONEY....


second

of course the lyrics are changed...but the music is the same. and this is NOT stupis as you say... when you chose an austrian nick-name you should know that the imperial austrian anthem is by hadyn and know used in Germany..

and it's the same with "gstq/gstk" wich was the FIRST Anthem and later used in 80(!) (Prussia/Germany (Heil dir im Siegerkranz), Russia, Lichtenstein, Norway etc etc) countries - not only members of the british empire...here for example lichenstein...

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7r2fZz_BI

third
I'm not a lawer but, I supose its possible to use medoldies - also for "pop" songs etc when there is no copyright - or noone bought the rights an this music, or the composer is death


Oh sorry i was just being NICE HONEY!!

Second
u say what i say.. and if i think its stupid its stupid..cause its mine opinion..and when i asked your opinion i didnt ask for a why its is or how its is i just ask nice not nice.. 2 simple answers ;)
Oh and i know it was made by haydn and if i didn't know it was now the german anthem..why should i open this subject?  a bit dumb don't u think
and who say's my name is a austrian name? maybe my own real name is sisi..you dont know.. its a name thats used on the whole world and is not only austrian..maybe it should be bavarian..because there is where "sisi" came from...;)


and don't try to be a law-man..your bad in it.. im not talking about copyright of pop songs..im talking how stupid people are to "cover" a song from someone..(even if there is no copyright..and if someone sings it first it belongs to the one who sang it first..) its stupid cause that proofs they aint got a brain to think and make an own song..
OH BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION



You only said it is stupid.. and I only tryed to explain why it is so ( and it's a DISCUSS Board)....If you so well educated, and know thats from Hadyn and so on.. than you should also know the reason and historical backgraound - and so your topic and question/opinion is needless. and on the other hand it#s YOU not "u"..not all got english as first language, my dear.....

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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 10:01:18 AM »
Honey i asked what people think of it not why it is like that..
and i say u cause its the short way of you something like gr8..understand? that has nothing to do with aducation and if u dont know anything about me dont judge about education or whatever..
ur not god ..honey;)


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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 10:08:17 AM »
Honey i asked what people think of it not why it is like that..
and i say u cause its the short way of you something like gr8..understand? that has nothing to do with aducation and if u dont know anything about me dont judge about education or whatever..
ur not god ..honey;)

however, this 2 things went together...are you really interesset in a thing, not only your own opinion caunts, also WHY it is so...and I think I'm not alone her with my opinion....

and may you re-read the starting page, in NOT USING slang writing/ or slang in general

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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2009, 02:48:03 AM »
Honey i asked what people think of it not why it is like that..
and i say u cause its the short way of you something like gr8..understand? that has nothing to do with aducation and if u dont know anything about me dont judge about education or whatever..
ur not god ..honey;)

Let it go kid.You're tiresome and uncanny posts are boring and obnoxious.
And,yes,I am belittling here,this kid is on the wrong forum,this is not a Kindergarten.
This is rediculous!! >:(

I agree Alexander1917.
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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2009, 12:21:44 PM »
many thanks for you support....

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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2009, 05:37:16 PM »
Okay now, lets all try to be civil.

Anyway, no matter which country uses/used this song for their anthem I think this song has a powerful musical (and emotional) quality that governments try to latch on to and that is why they select/selected it for their anthem.  When I first heard this song, I had no idea it is/was a national anthem, I just thought it was a great peice of music. 

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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2009, 06:26:23 PM »
I too LOVE the Kaiser Hymne. It also has that emotional effect on me. However, I prefer it to be played by an orchestra over brass instruments, imo the music is too 'soft' for brass instruments.
Also found out later in life that it was originally the Austrian Anthem during the late 18th. and 19th. century and listened to it with a 'different' ear. Very beautiful piece of music.

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Re: K.und.K kaiserhymne the austrian national anthem during the habsburg reign
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2010, 11:46:18 AM »
and the history conection was also there in former holy roman empire...with Austria as leading power...until 1804
Exactly - when Haydn composed it there was no Austrian Empire. And when Hoffmann von Fallersleben rewrote it as a German national anthem, the Austrian Emperor was still the presiding sovereign of the German Confederation.

and it's the same with "gstq/gstk" wich was the FIRST Anthem and later used in 80(!) (Prussia/Germany (Heil dir im Siegerkranz), Russia, Lichtenstein, Norway etc etc) countries - not only members of the british empire...here for example lichenstein...
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7r2fZz_BI

The Liechtensteiner anthem's tune being "God Save the King" did perhaps make some sense untill 1981, when their big brother ally Switzerland's anthem also used that tune, but now it just seems unimaginative!

As a Norwegian I don't like that the Norwegian royal anthem is sung to the tune of God Save the King, with a very bland text! I'm envious of Denmark and Sweden which have really cool, original royal anthems! (In the 19th century, during the Swedish-Norwegian Union, Sweden also had a royal anthem based on God Save the King, which probably is why Norway ended up with one too. BTW Sweden also has a real cool 18th century, boozy royal "anthem": Gustaf's skål, Gustaf (III)'s Toast!)

For new Norwegian royal anthem, I propose a simplified version of Grieg's tune for Bjørnson's poem "Landkjending", Land-sighting, about the Viking King Olav Tryggvason returning to Norway after exile:
Youtube: Landkjending.
Rock version! :-)
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