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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #345 on: July 10, 2009, 08:02:16 PM »
As she, in my opinion, was still a child at the time of her marriage, it does not surprise me she felt that way. However, we should not forget that it happened in a different time, with different rules. Women were not seen by the majority of men as they are looked upon nowadays.
Also, she was way in over her head! She could not back out as soon as it was announced. It must have all seemed so romantic to her in her childish mind and to be confronted by the cold hard truth of the physical part of marriage, it does not surprise me she felt raped. She was there to provide an heir, I believe she knew this. In turn she was given status, that's how it works. In most Royal families these arranged marriages were commom place, after the first of the 'new' had worn off, men went back to their mistresses and the wife was left to her own.
I think we, as a society, should not look upon their lives with 21st. Century eyes. Don't forget, women were only 2nd. rate creatures. There to please, show off and be a broodmare.

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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #346 on: July 13, 2009, 07:23:08 PM »
Well, it is not exactly the fact that Franz forced her, after all the marriage was consummated 3 days after the wedding. The truth is that Sisi indeed had no idea of what was going on and that Franz perhaps was not the best lover, this dramatic experience for Sisi might have lead to the fact that she really disliked sex and all about it. Ofcourse she was young at the time of her marriage and probably not well-informed about all that was to come in the wedding-night.
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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #347 on: July 14, 2009, 05:18:24 AM »
I am of the opinion that the Crown Prince knew what he was doing when he pulled the trigger...

Of course he did. He wouldn't have written all those goodbye letters, let alone asked people to die with him, if he didn't know shooting himself would mean he'd die, or if he hadn't known dying is pretty serious business. Most suicides do know what they're doing when they kill themselves. That doesn't mean they're thinking right in the larger scale, that they're really thinking like a healthy human being whose main instinct is survival. There's something seriously wrong with the mental health of anyone who kills themselves, and while I don't mean to whitewash Rudolf's actions, it's pretty obvious that they resulted from a serious depression.

I know some people think all mentally ill people just need to get a grip of themselves, but I don't share this opinion. Of course there's a certain degree to which you can affect the state of your mental health with your own attitude and choices, but serious depression doesn't go away just by telling yourself to cheer up and start doing something more useful. It's illness just as a physical illness would be.

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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #348 on: July 25, 2009, 04:49:01 PM »
Crown Prince Rudolph and his bride Princess Stephanie of Beligum


Two of a very young Baroness Mary Vetsera :



and here, as a baby with her older brother Ladislas (the poor boy died in a fire when he was 16 and he was so handsome too!pity)

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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #349 on: July 28, 2009, 04:35:18 PM »
I knew that Mary left some strange letters to her mother before her death, for that reason her
mother suspected that Mary was in problems, in fact the letters suggested something about death.
Well, I didn't read them exactly :-(

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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #350 on: July 28, 2009, 04:38:22 PM »
Stephanie looks very beautiful in this painting, about the lasts of Mary are unknown for me.
Poor boy, he had a sad death. Mary Vetsera looks very nice as girl, yes this boy was handsome;-)

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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #351 on: July 29, 2009, 01:04:01 PM »
Hello, all. Finally my scanner is repaired and I amhere wth the first load of new scans. I am quite certain those are not new t all, but Irina Alexadrovna asked me to pot them.




Crown Prince Rudolf, 1865


Crown Prince Rudolf, 1878


Crown Prince Rudolf


Emperor Franz Joseph and his son


Crown Prince Rudolf, Crown Prince Wilhelm


Crown Prince Rudolf and Crown Princess Stephanie


Mizz Caspar, Crown Prince Rudolf's "Official" Mistress


Mary Vetsera,1888


Mary Vetsera, 1888


Mary Vetsera's grave


Memorial for Rudolf, Corfu
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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #352 on: July 29, 2009, 02:32:28 PM »
great pictures! in special that one of Franz Joseph *0*

A very young Rudolph



An illustration of a toddler Rudolph


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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #353 on: July 31, 2009, 05:50:45 PM »
Rudolph looks lovely as a boy, thank you for posting that images, altough
many of them were posted on Sissi's thread


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« Reply #355 on: August 03, 2009, 07:52:54 PM »
i doubt it. The dress looks like an early 1880s gown.

Handsome and dapper Rudolph


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« Reply #356 on: August 03, 2009, 08:37:15 PM »


Rudolph timeline


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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #357 on: August 04, 2009, 06:48:31 PM »
Here one more about the young Crown Prince Rudolph, I donít remember if someone has posted it before, excuse me if itís posted.
http://worldofroyaltyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/rudolf.jpg

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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #358 on: August 08, 2009, 05:38:06 AM »
nice pics of rudolph!

without the beard i find him very handsome...if i lived back then i would be happy 2 be mary vetsera or mitzi caspar :p


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Re: Crown Prince Rudolph--controversies, affairs & his death
« Reply #359 on: August 08, 2009, 06:23:25 AM »
nice pics of rudolph!

without the beard i find him very handsome...if i lived back then i would be happy 2 be mary vetsera or mitzi caspar :p

Ha but you know if you were Mary for example you take all her life you know this?With the end?I would like to be born in 1895 or something and to be young lady in the 20' s 30's good time for living....
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