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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2005, 07:23:15 PM »
I think that is it...written by Lilika Papanikolau.  we sold tyhe book at Eurohistory since 1998 and sold the last copy last Christmas.  I am trying to get more copies since it sells all the time.

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2005, 09:01:43 AM »
There was also a rumored afair of Frederika with prime minister Mitsotakis...Other Greeks on the boards can enlighten us on the subject cause my memory isn't helping me!

And an anekdote about that!

Once after a fight between them Mitsotakis told Frederika that :  "One day I'll be where you are"
Meaning head of state and in a twist of events later Mitsotakis became president of the greek republic, which typically is the highest position on the government. I say typically because he doesn't have real power as president.

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2005, 02:01:14 PM »
there were other afairs which may or may not be true one with General Marshal and Jan smuts of South Africa.

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2005, 04:36:26 PM »
She spoke very hughly of Jan Smuts in her 1971 book.

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2005, 11:22:15 AM »
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There was also a rumored afair of Frederika with prime minister Mitsotakis...Other Greeks on the boards can enlighten us on the subject cause my memory isn't helping me!

And an anekdote about that!

Once after a fight between them Mitsotakis told Frederika that :  "One day I'll be where you are"
Meaning head of state and in a twist of events later Mitsotakis became president of the greek republic, which typically is the highest position on the government. I say typically because he doesn't have real power as president.




You mean Karamanlis, not Mitsotakis.  There were plenty of rumors, not only of Karamanlis, Gen. Marshall, and Jan Smuts, but probably just Greeks talking non-sense about a women with some degree of power.  God forbig Greek chauvinists saw a woman in power!

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2005, 11:28:57 AM »
what about the allen dulles afair do you no any thing about that?

i thought it was karamalis as well the other was prime minister for 3 years between 1990-1993. i thought she and karamalis hated each other?

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2005, 04:21:07 PM »
There's a fine line between love and hate!   :)
Looks can be decieving!  :)

Anyway sorry about my mistake with karamanlis but I'm quite young and unfamiliar with politicsof the last 40 years.
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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2005, 04:46:55 PM »
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what about the allen dulles afair do you no any thing about that?

i thought it was karamalis as well the other was prime minister for 3 years between 1990-1993. i thought she and karamalis hated each other?


Mitsotakis is not placed in the so called "affairs" of Queen Frederika, and where his name came up I have no clue.  Regarding Dulles, the same thing as Karamanlis, etc, all nonsense.
Its interesting that every male that the Queen had a correspondence with, or friendship, was turned out to be her lover.  I mean really!  General Marshall, a man who was on his deathbed during his and Frederika's correspondence.  
As if a woman couldn't be intelligent and have a friendship with a man!  
Of course no one took the time to think, hey, here is a Queen, who has no constitutional/political role, and she can have communication with leaders in a manner that her King husband could not?
Alas, the Greek mentality at its finest...

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2005, 09:42:48 AM »
Frederika had a very strong character and even within the family this was widely known.  I always recall the fight she had with the Queen of Spain, Victoria Eugenia.

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2005, 09:49:28 AM »
I think Arturo has it correct. I never heard anything about "affairs" but I did sense a resentment by the older Greek women in my family. It seems she came off "pushy", authoritarian, take charge, bossy. Probably the only way to get things done there.  Of course, Greek amamas are exactly the same, so they didn't like her doing it to them ! At the same time, my family was devoted to the monarchy [just not it's queens I guess].
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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2005, 02:37:54 PM »
what fight did she have with queen Ena of spain?

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2005, 03:35:56 PM »
You may start this question as a new thread in the Iberain royals forum!  ;D

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2005, 03:13:25 PM »
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Frederika had a very strong character and even within the family this was widely known.  I always recall the fight she had with the Queen of Spain, Victoria Eugenia.

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Precisely my point Arturo: Strong woman, strong character, strong opinions, she must be of ill repute according to the Greek male chauvinist mentality!  She was supposed to be home cooking mousaka while the communists ravage the country in the 1940s and the people in their poverty rebuilt the country in the 50s from the ground up!

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2005, 11:10:41 AM »
However, Frederika did not like that and instead she actively participated in her husband's efforts during the civil war, which, as you pointedly say, she should have been home.

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Re: King Paul & Queen Frederika (nee Hannover) of Greece
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2005, 02:32:08 PM »
I haven't read much about Frederika, but remember a big diplomatic scandal in sixties London when she was chased down a street in broad daylight for some unknown reason, ripping her stockings, black eyes, the lot. It was in the papers for days.

I also read she spent her last years in India having renounced all the trappings of royalty.